almost impossible to get a proper debate

The level of unchecked off topic trolling on this forum is killing debate. It's almost impossible to find a thread that hasn't deteriorated into off topic one liners and insults within the first page. Between that and the folks who've obviously decided to come here on a sabbatical from stormfront.org it's making staying on this forum almost completely pointless.

I am giving serious consideration to going somewhere with actual moderation and a collective IQ above kindergarten level.

 

As far as I'm concerned the level of anti-Americanism from some British posters has poisoned the well for all British posters. Yeah, I know that's not fair. But life isn't always fair.

 

S'mae, fy Nhad! The reactionary nature of so much posting comes from the fact that so very many sites are American, and a very high proportion of Americans are heavily brainwashed. On the other hand, here at least, posts keep coming, which is better than waiting a week or so for page-long ponderings (here it is like the old AWE site). I reckon the moderation, though, is pretty good: on many sites, if you object to child-murder or assassination you get barred as evidently anti-semitic.

 

lol at the frustrated liberals who hate that this site isn't a giant left-wing circle-(you know what).

 

It is a little disturbing the level of racism here. People on all sides complain about it, but only one group is calling the other 'creatures' and 'animals'...

Rather depressing that these people exist.

 

What I do know is it is an election year and forums get heated up thus creating more reported posts and p.m.'s to moderators and advisors about members they think should be banned or taken action against.

We take hours of our time as volunteers to moderate this huge forum the best we can. We have added new moderators to our staff to try and keep up with the reports and myraids of threads where we get a report and find we are editing and deleting posts for hours.

Just to get through a page of reports can take up to a day. We ask members to be patient as we do deal with problem members. When people claim that we should take action on another because they were infracted or warned for the same thing, they don't take into account that each persons record and other indicators determine what action(s) may be taken.

We are not quick to ban anyone unless it's clear they are here to blatantly break the rules and its by a quorum of votes by the moderators. We don't always catch rulebreakers that aren't reported but believe me, we are soon aware of their posting behaviors.

If you must leave, just note that there are only a handful of those that seem to deteriorate threads and they know, or will eventually know that they are hanging in here by a thread. We stand on and by our "Mission Statement" and will not tolerate those that have no interest in civil debate here at P.F.

Sincerely,

Jiyuu-Freedom
Site Moderator

 

You are mistaken when you say we have a bunch of mods who are ultracons. It's neither here nor there anyways because we post as members and moderate by the rules. There are liberals, libertarians, independants and conservative moderators. We became a part of the staff by vote and by our records for staying within the rules and dedicating our time debating in a civil manner. It's very easy to do.

We don't like loosing members but if this isn't the place, there are other forums that might better suit you.

Sincerely,

Jiyuu-Freedom

 

This is the essence of this site it seems. Be antagonizing just for the sake to antagonize. The few liberals that are on here seem to get all their facts from The Daily Show and Rachel Maddow, while the many, many, cons here seem to get their facts from Hannity and Limbaugh. Out of all the discussions I have gotten into thus far, very few were met with an actual rebuttal, rather the most common way to respond to me was:

A) Respond with an insult and no substance

B) The person reiterates a point that actually was proven wrong a page or two ago because they were using old or false data, yet the person refuses to acknowledge this and find more proof to justify their beliefs. They simply continue to use the bad data knowing it is false.

C) The person(s) do not respond to me, and from what I gather the reason is because I do not directly attack anybody nor resort to hackney conclusions.

 

I never have figured out when someone is defeated or looses a debate why it's so hard to just admit maybe their source is outdated or whatever the case is. When you present good/solid and reputable sources that are updated, I think it's the best tool.

My point is that it isn't hard to be humble. Heck, I learned so much about politics through members and searching for sources to back up many of my claims. I am opinionated too but admit defeat.

 

There are four reasons to participate in a forum. To learn something, to share information, to double check one's opinions and assumptions, and for amusement.

There are leftist intellects here that deserve respect and warrant good faith debate. But they are few in number. PF is different than most forums in that it has attracted a strong cohort of conservatives who have reached critical mass and become a force on the forum.

There are four types of people who belong to PF. Those who are smarter than me. Those who are my equals. Those who are not as smart as me. And those who are guilty of a status crime.

PF is unique and should be cherished.

 

They moderate to the Rules. The problem is either you have freedom of speech or you censor. If there is freedom of speech, you have to read all levels of debate. Intelligent people tend to want intelligent conversation to the exclusion of idiocy. Fact is, even racist bigots have the vote and their views need to be challenged.

I'm convinced they come here in number because they are not able to post on other forums. Other forums claims to support freedom of speech, but will ban the most offensive. Which unfortunately means we suffer them until they cross the line.

 

Frustrating, isn't it? So many people come on this forum just looking to stir up controversy instead having a rational discussion, and it detracts from the experience for the rest of us.
Unfortunately, there's no rule against people behaving like children. There are merely rules against certain behaviors. And there simply isn't enough staff to bust every violation.
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Happy B-Day Jiyuu

 

The reason that it is nearly impossible to get a proper debate is because this site is open to anyone. Most people are ignorant about politics and a greater number get their understanding about what constitutes a debate from what passes for news on tv.

I would hardly call this a credible site for much more than screaming unfounded opinions, but it is entertaining to read what passes for opinion. Toss in a good idea once in a while and Bob's your uncle.

 

the problem lies thus....

there are no real liberals on the forum....just programmed wannbee's with asinine atheistic drama syndrome to be played out online in the name of freedom


the conservatives are confused to the point they think fox news is anything but the national enquirer with better writers...some think the present republican party is conservative where all they are , are deranged sex craved morons.

 

Silly man. Thank you. Now you are one member who anyone can have fun debating with. You might be somewhat strong in your opinion but never insulting. I like that because you don't hold back who you are...but we that know you are assured you are a kind, gentle giant.

 

Just like I said earlier, lol at the frustrated liberals who hate that this site isn't a giant left-wing circle-(rhymes with lurk). If liberals dominated this site, would you be complaining? Would the OP? I highly doubt it.

 

In the end, it doesn't make one lick of difference whether one wins the forum trophy or not.
Folks have to learn to relax. Its not life and death.

 

I agree with you 100%. Folks do need to relax. There is no trophy winners but there are great posters here.

 

I still visit this site occasionally for two reasons.

Firstly, it is a good site for a general overview of politics. Both because people will post up anything that is somewhat relevant a dozen times, and because it tells you what the current frenzied pitch has come to.

Secondly, I keep hoping the moderators are going to actually do something. There is a very blatant troll here, and I realized the lack of desire to actually do anything when this user was getting hundreds of violations per day, and the moderators wouldn't even remove the posts. I keep hoping that at some point, they'll start really enforcing the rules. However, my visits are becoming less frequent, because the hope is dwindling.

My suggestion is that if you are staying on the hope that it will get better, or that feedback is at all considered, you should go somewhere else. You won't get a decent debate on here. You won't get facts. You won't get trolling posts even slowed down. Some like to ride the wave. Some like to mock them. The key to staying, near as I can figure out, is become a troll, or just accept the poor moderation.

 

It isn't about that. I wouldn't mind if it were a vast majority of conservatives or liberals either way, as long as more than a handful of them could have an intelligent discussion. Here is what this site seems to be about to me right now: "We HAVE to nuke Iran and why." "Why Ron Paul Sucks/Doesn't Suck", and "Why the Obama's are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s and we got proof of it, this totally has to do with how he governs"

I've seen 16 year kids that favor the Republican party that can come up with better arguments and discussion.

 

I'm gonna have to start raising a ruckus and be mean & nasty a few times and see if I can't get my bad name restored . HawHawHaw

Your kind words mean much to me , dear friend , thank you

I'm glad you had a good b-day , that rasberry filling sounds wondermus . .i sure hope you had a pot of CostaRican coffee to go with that great cake .

 

So, apparently you don't care whether or not the site is liberal or conservative, yet you throw out 3 thread titles that are all non-liberal that you have a problem with.

If this site was heavily biased liberal, you'd be a happy camper. Just admit it.

 

Personally I like this forum since it is seems more tolerant of opinions that are not politically correct.

 

another pearl of wisdom , thank you , and don't let the door hit ya in the keester on the way out and goood--byeeee.

and another ones gone and another ones gone and another one bites the dust .