Are We Headed For Another American Revolution? / Drum Beats of an American Revolution

Your one track mind is still on this? You've already been shown obama is extremely anti-gun.

How about you show us how obama has expanded gun rights for the US.

 

Why do gun people get so whiny over issues to this extent? No, there isnt going to be another revolution. Stop you're crying.

 

Not mine. You keep making incorrect statements, which I have to correct for you.

nonsense. your paranoia and fear mongering is all that has been shown.

The only leglislation obama has signed into law regarding gun rights, has opened national parks up to firearms.

 

The law preventing firearms in national parks was overturned by Bush in his last month in office. The law was challenged in court and was finally allowed to go forward in 2010. obama signed the law but probably threw up in his mouth when he did.

So yes obama did something to expand gun rights. A point for you. But dont think obama likes guns.

 

Keep your foster's drinkin, crocodile dundee, shrimp on the barbee, down under livin self outta our constitution. You still have the flag of the country that ruled you to THIS day.

Beat it.

 

hahaha i'll pay that. That was pretty funny

LOL Um... ok? I dont see your point.

Upset are we? Oh so sorry mate, I aint going any where. You're free to run away when you please.

 

That is not true, because they have many restrictions on what sort of weapons you may have.

In Iraq, before the Yankee gunmen invaded, any Iraqi man could own any weapon he chose............could afford.

In New Orleans, and army of thugs went door to door breaking into peoples' houses to steal as many weapons as they could.

In California, you can't carry a weapon in your car. Guns, yes, as long as you ain't got any ammo..

 

Buhahahaha!!!

That is funny right der!

 

Gator and Greataxe,

Ignore this fool.

Rahl, the simple fact of what I stated in the very first post in this thread, and what Gator and Greataxe reiterated, the Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty, obama and his regime being there, considering and listening to this international, fascist, globalist, agenda, pondering on whether or not to pass international gun laws, are a major, major threat in and of themselves.

Obamayomama is working towards those ends, "to modify the second amendment, or abollish it all together. He and Hillary are working on this with the u.n.

Should obamayomama get re-SELECTED, he will push this crap through by executive order, just like obamacare and national defense authorization act were. They are nothing short of tyranny.

You and those like you, go ahead and stay asleep. When it all comes crashing down, and the gustapo come marching and kicking in your door, you'll remember what we said, and it will be too late for you.

Go ahead and roll back over, stay asleep, and keep your head berried in the sand. Maybe someone will be by who'd be kind enough to kick you in the arse to help wake you and those like you, up.

What's been said and shared are facts and truths. Deal with it.

If it's too much to swallow, well, then, you just cannot handle the truth.

 

there is no UN small arms treaty. it's dead. and it would have exactly zero effect on US law or the second amendment.

how is he working on it? can you name a single piece of proposed legislation? we've already established that a UN treaty has exactly zero effect on US law or the second amendment.

obamacare was not an executive order. it was passed by congress. what legislation is obama proposing that will alter the second amendment?

paranoid delusions. nobody is coming for our guns.

I'm the only one presenting facts and truth. I've refuted everything you've said.

see above.

 

NOT paranoid delusions, but reasonable concern, and rightly so.

If the Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty were truly dead, it wouldn't still be on the table. I posted an article in a different thread that stated those facts.

If fascist muslim dictator and tyrant, obamayomama, his regime, and Hillary Clinton weren't involved in a sinister plan to eventually ban firearms for ALL U.S. Citizens, WHY, for almost an entire month, were they holding a meeting for almost the entire month of July 2012, at the u.n. headquarters in New York City? Why even hold such a meeting concerning international laws and treaties? Why is it even being thought about, discussed, and considered?

There IS a sinister plan to ban ALL firearms in the U.S.

There may not necessarily be paperwork about it from Congress available for the public eyes, but it has been talked about, and believe me, they have the proposed international legislations, laws, and treaties in their possession. Voted down, for now.

If international laws, treaties, and legislations had no effect on the U.S., then why have such meetings?

We are no longer a sovereign Nation. We haven't been sovereign for a very long time. We've been controlled and taken over by globalists and the u.n. The u.n. are the ones shoving this crap down the throats of our politicians. Those in D.C. are nothing but puppets.

You'll see.

 

They'll be no war, people will just suck it up and deal with it, like people in Japan, Britain, etc do.

I support 2nd Amendment, but hypothetically if it was abolished, I'd have to learn to live with it. Not gonna resort to terrorism over such a selfish desire. I've got other priorities in life - maybe someone with no life, no girlfriend, etc might think it a good idea to turn terrorist and throw their life away, not me - I'd rather enjoy my life.

Same with the Constitution - hypothetically if the govt wanted to just toss the whole thing in the trash and I wouldn't do anything, and most people other than the Jared Loughner types would (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan but wouldn't actually turn terrorist even if the govt decided to do that - so I'm just keepin' it real. I'd only consider doing anything if my basic ability to survive was truly in danger. Even as a conservative, I've gotta admit that in the long run, it wouldn't make a craps worth of difference if the only alternative to accepting it is to commit acts of terror.

 

paranoid delusions

 

The American Declaration of Rights, 1774 stated that the American People never consented to be governed.

Evidently, many also never consented to being governed by "nature's God".

Thus, a nation in rebellion to the God of Truth Mercy, Faith, Love & Life must come under the Curses of the Law where those who hate us rule over us.

And, since we are under the curses of the Law, our job is to confess our national sins, repent and humbly submit to the punishment of our iniquity.

If we don't, things will only get worse.

Fighting against the wooden yoke of the current system will only put us in a much heavier yoke.

but it is the just vengeance of sinners, that punisheth always the offence of the ungodly. WISDOM OF SOLOMON 14:31
King James Version.......removed from most King James Bibles since about 1830
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"U.N. Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty,"

Yup, paranoid delusions.

If there was NO behind the scenes sinister plan, why hold such an international meeting at U.N. Headquarters in New York City, NY for almost the entire month of July? Why are such things even being discussed and considered by our government?

I'm still waiting for a response and answer to this one.

You're the one that is sadly delusional, and whose head is buried in the sand.

You really are a new world order, globalist advocate, spreading mis and disinformation.

"The new world order doesn't exist," you say.

As I have stated numerous times, google the georgia guidestones. What would you call this? And why have American Presidents and other politicians talked about it?

Yup, they're just paranoid delusions.

 

This article was written by President of Faith 2 Action, Janet Porter.

The date of it is April 21, 2009.

I believe I have posted and shared this article on this web site before.

For those in denial about what's really going on in the United States, here you go.

FAITH2ACTION

The new terrorists

Exclusive: Janet Porter has to-do list for Americans the feds are now politically profiling

Published: 04/21/2009 at 12:00 AM by Janet Porter Email | Archive

Janet Porter is president of Faith2Action*: turning people of faith into people of action to WIN the cultural war TOGETHER for life, liberty and the family. Author of "The Criminalization of Christianity," she hosts a daily radio program from 2-3 p.m. Eastern and a daily radio commentary heard in 224 markets and at www.f2a.org. * Title and affiliation for identification purposes only.

While the Department of Homeland Security admits they have “no specific information” of any violent activity or plans of any violence, in a “Rightwing Extremism” report, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano has labeled law-abiding citizens as “right-wing extremists” and potential “terrorists” anyway, and has instructed state and local law enforcement to monitor, investigate and “report information concerning suspicious or criminal activity to DHS and the FBI.”

Ironically, this is the same “Extremism and Radicalization Branch” of DHS that eradicated all references to the terms “Islamofascist” and “jihadist” (even though that’s the name those who are at war with us, themselves, use). The Obama administration, in replacing “war on terror” with “overseas contingency operations,” for fear of offending Muslims, apparently has no fear of offending Christians and conservatives.

Among the groups being targeted as “terrorists,” according to the report, are “military veterans” who return home (from fighting terrorists), those who “reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority” and “groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

Are you the Obama administration’s idea of a dangerous subversive? Fight back with the magnetic message: “Why is being Right Extreme?”

Also listed among the targeted potential “terrorists” are those who purchase legal firearms and ammunition and oppose laws that restrict the Second Amendment. Also on the new terrorist watch list are those who believe in “‘end times’ prophecies,” and those with “fear and paranoia” “of an impending economic collapse.” In addition, law enforcement agencies are instructed to monitor and investigate citizens who do not embrace globalism, a “New World Order,” and those concerned about “a world government that would usurp the sovereignty of the United States and its Constitution.”

In fact, the New Terrorists (according to Obama’s Department of Homeland Security) would include the following:

1.George Washington (military veteran and gun owner)
2.Mother Teresa (pro-life)
3.Ronald Reagan (pro-life and staunch advocate for less government), and
4.The pope (supports life and traditional marriage)
‘Most dangerous’

Ignoring the real threats to our security from known Islamic jihad terrorist cells currently training terrorists on American soil, DHS, instead, has declared law-abiding citizens who express their First Amendment Rights as: “the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States” and has initiated domestic spying on them.

We’ve just seen this trial balloon shot down in Missouri when their Missouri Information Analysis Center issued a very similar “Strategic Report” that targeted those opposed to the United Nations, New World Order, Gun control, a Constitutional Convention, North American Union, the Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip, abortion and illegal immigration as “potentially dangerous.” It also urged law enforcement to be alert to such warning signs as bumper stickers for candidates such as Rep. Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin.

Even after this report was supposedly retracted, Catherine Bleish, executive director of the Liberty Restoration Project, reported (Faith2Action radio, April 1) cases of law-abiding citizens being followed, stopped and searched without cause or provocation. This is what political profiling looks like.

Meanwhile, a separate assault on our freedoms is being waged in the U.S. House Judiciary Committee with H.R. 1913, the “Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009,” scheduled for a vote tomorrow. We have already seen similar profiling in the “National Hate Crimes Training Curricula” in police training centers at selected colleges and universities that receive grants from the U.S. Department of Justice’s division called COPS, Community Oriented Policing Services.

The suspect groups in these curricula also include Christians whose “ideology is apocalyptic and who believe we are in, or approaching, a period of violence and social turmoil which will precede the Second Coming of Christ” (p.22). If you are a Christian who believes what the Bible has to say about homosexual behavior, you’re a suspect. If you’ve noticed that reading the paper is strikingly similar to reading the book of Revelation, you are also on a police “most wanted list” of potential criminals.

Both the DHS report and “hate crimes” legislation target law-abiding citizens with “politically incorrect” views. We’ve been led to believe it’s about crime, but there are already laws against crime. Rep. (and former judge) Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, pointed out in the House Judiciary Committee the bill “is going to put pastors in prison.” Here’s how: Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, Section 2 (a) reads:

Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.

– 18 USC Sec. 2

That means if you “counsel someone,” write a book, or read from the Bible (such as what Obama says is an “obscure” passage in the first chapter of Romans), you could be found guilty of “inducing” someone to commit a crime.


The Homosexual Triangle Foundation’s executive director, Jeff Montgomery, told the Saginaw News back in April 2005: “Vocal anti-gay activists should be held accountable as accessories to these crimes because, many times, it is their rhetoric that led the perpetrators to believe their crimes are OK.”

They are targeting our beliefs and our speech. And they don’t want anyone to know about it. As the DHS report states, knowledge of this political profiling could “jeopardize their investigative activities.”

This DHS report states, “No portion of the LES information should be released to the media, the general public, or over non-secure Internet servers. Release of this information could adversely affect or jeopardize investigative activities.” Yet, this report was leaked just before the thousands of tea parties protested the Obama spending programs.

Whether it was an intentional intimidation tactic or an accidental occurrence, one thing’s for sure – we aren’t going to stand by while they profile good, law-abiding citizens as terrorists and take away constitutional freedoms.

Therefore, we, the law-abiding citizens of America, demand:

1.The resignation or removal of DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano for her partisan political profiling of veterans and conservatives and her abuse of power.

2.An apology from President Barack Obama to ALL Americans for his administration’s call for domestic spying.
3.The immediate retraction of the “Rightwing Extremism” report for labeling law-abiding citizens as “terrorists” because of their political views.

If you’d like to help sound the alarm before you’re monitored as a potential terrorist, please help. Go to www.f2a.org and click the first blinking alert to fight “hate crimes” and click the link to www.NoPoliticalProfiling.com to help us place a newspaper ad and sign the petition to fight the new definition of “terrorist.”

The only way we can keep our freedoms is if we’ll use them – now.(End of Article)

They're only "paranoid delusions."

Those who reject the truths and facts are nothing but liars and deceivers, spreading mis and disinformation to keep people looking for truths and facts in the dark, and so the truths and facts would be distorted.

This is real, folks. This is what has been happening.

It started with Bush's fascist patriot act after 9-11-01. Obama capitalized on it and made it more broad with his national defense authorization act.

But...they're just "paranoid delusions."

Down with the global fascists and their new world order!!!

 

paranoid delusions. a UN treaty has exactly zero effect on US law, or the constitution.

 

That's why they've been having meetings, thinking about and considering and bringing up such unConstitutional, unAmerican laws, huh?!

Why have the meetings at all with international laws and the u.n.?

The whole national defense authorization act wasn't just concocted by the U.S. government...

 

September 9th, 2012
Congress? Constitution? Who Needs Them?

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Congress? Constitution? Who Needs Them?

Regionalization is an element in the planned assimilation of America into a one-world government, which is being promoted by the United Nations and implemented in part by the UN’s plan for the 21rst Century, which they call Agenda 21.


(URL: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/01/18/proposed-rnc-agenda-21-resolution/ )

This is four-year-old news, but many Americans have not yet read about this move by NORTHCOM.

This link has been online for over four years, and discerning Oath Keepers may wish to take a screen shot of this page while it’s still up -

http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/021408.html

NORTHCOM’s website unabashedly displays the arrogance of its mission by candidly announcing, in 2008, that NORTHCOM has made its own deal with the government of Canada to merge the U.S. and Canadian military at will, with no need to bother our Congress.Please note that in the background of the official NORTHCOM patch we see not a geographic depiction of America, but instead we see the three nations involved in George W. Bush’s attempted North American Union (SPP).

Because of the efforts of George W. Bush, (and follow-up efforts by Barrack Obama), to establish a North American Union, this particular story is a point of serious contention for Oath Keepers. There are serious legalities and questions of lawfulness involved with this usurpation, despite the naive and casual air of this published announcement by NORTHCOM.
The question is begged – On what Constitutional basis can NORTHCOM make a military-exchange treaty with any foreign government’s military?

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Photo by U.S. Army North Public Affairs Office.

U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, left, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, signed a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency. The signing took place at U.S. Army North headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, Feb. 14, 2008.

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NORTHCOM AND CANADA COMMAND ESTABLISH BILATERAL CIVIL ASSISTANCE PLAN

February 14, 2008

SAN ANTONIO, Texas — U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, have signed a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

“This document is a unique, bilateral military plan to align our respective national military plans to respond quickly to the other nation’s requests for military support of civil authorities,” Renuart said. “Unity of effort during bilateral support for civil support operations such as floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack, in order to save lives, prevent human suffering and mitigate damage to property, is of the highest importance, and we need to be able to have forces that are flexible and adaptive to support rapid decision-making in a collaborative environment.”

“The signing of this plan is an important symbol of the already strong working relationship between Canada Command and U.S. Northern Command,” Dumais said. “Our commands were created by our respective governments to respond to the defense and security challenges of the twenty-first century, and we both realize that these and other challenges are best met through cooperation between friends.”

The plan recognizes the role of each nation’s lead federal agency for emergency preparedness, which in the United States is the Department of Homeland Security and in Canada is Public Safety Canada. The plan facilitates the military-to-military support of civil authorities once government authorities have agreed on an appropriate response.

U.S. Northern Command was established on Oct. 1, 2002, to anticipate and conduct homeland defense and civil support operations within the assigned area of responsibility to defend, protect, and secure the United States and its interests.

Similarly, Canada Command was established on Feb. 1, 2006, to focus on domestic operations and to offer a single point of contact for all domestic and continental defense and security partners.

The two domestic commands established strong bilateral ties well before the signing of the Civil Assistance Plan. The two commanders and their staffs meet regularly, collaborate on contingency planning and participate in related annual exercises.

(Active URL: http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/021408.html )

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Not taxed enough already? Does it warm your heart to think of your tax dollars financing U.S. military troop excursions in Canada? A better question is: Who can bring forward here (in the comments section under this article) any source of legitimate authority for any (*)(*)(*)(*)ed U.S. military General to make this kind of deal with a foreign General without the consent of Congress or a Constitutional amendment?

Salute!

Elias Alias

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/09/09/congress-constitution-who-needs-them/

Yet, u.n. international laws have no effect on U.S.

What about Rex 84?

Agenda 21?

These are u.n. international ideas, plans, and laws that have been slowly implemented in increments since the 1970s.

These are the truths and facts.

Arms Trade Treaty / Small Arms Treaty...Though on the very surface level, that is exactly what and how it appears, simply regulating and stricter laws on the importing / exporting / trading of firearms...but there is something much more sinister behind the curtain.

When they do pass this, and they will in the near future, especially if muslim socialist dictator in chief is RE-SELECTED, they will have their foot in the door to eventually ban ALL firearms for citizens.

I've done the reasearch. National Defense Authorization Act, Obamacare...basically, Posse Comitatus(Military cannot act as a police force on U.S. Soil) and Habeas Corpus(Right to trial by jury) are history. We can be detained indefinitely without charge, trial, or reason, even to a foreign prison.

This is NO conspiracy. These are the facts and truths. Well, the conspiracy is a total global fascist takeover, usurping the sovereignty of the U.S. There has been the sinister plan and continual conspiring to accomplish this since the 1970s, at least, for U.S. Sovereignty to be gone.

Check out Rex 84 and Agenda 21.

One more. How about the plan for a North American Union / Union of North America?

They have been implementing their plans, agenda, and ideas, and even laws since the 1970s, in increments. Like boiling a frog alive in hot boiling water, turn it up a little at a time, and the frog doesn't know he's cooking. Turn it up too much too fast, and he hops out.

u.n. international law has no affect on the U.S., right?!

WRONG!!!

 

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That what is written above is driven by the u.n., forcing this socialist, fascist, globalist crap upon us.

I can't be any more clearer, rahl.

You've shown your true colors.

How about you list links and sources combating everything that I have said, to prove that these are merely "paranoid delusions."

You've NOT given one source or link to disprove the facts and truths I've stated.

 

the onus is on YOU to prove YOUR claims. you have yet to cite anything other than your paranoid delusions, or explain how a UN treaty would have any effect on US law or the constitution.

 

Did we have a huge meeting for almost the entire month of July concerning the Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty, voted down, at least for now?

If the u.n. and their global fascist laws had no effect on U.S., why was there even a meeting held to begin with? Why is it even being considered, talked, and thought about? You still have NEVER answered these questions.

Rex 84

Agenda 21

The Patriot Act

National Defense Authorization Act

The plan for a North American Union / Union of North America

Are these NOT unConstitutional, and do you know who is behind all of this?

Here are several articles for you:

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-lohier-ndaa-stay-414/

http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-reddit-plaintiffs-hedges-143/

Now, I suppose that Reuters is not a good enough news source and link for you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/26/1040044/--The-homeland-is-part-of-the-battlefield

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/28/1040443/--The-Homeland-is-Part-of-the-Battlefield

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...erican-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

http://www.conservativeactionalerts...l-declares-us-a-battlefield-for-the-military/

http://readersupportednews.org/opin...e-bill-america-is-now-part-of-the-battlefield

Now, I have listed the provisions and sections from national defense authorization act(1021 and 1022) that have been labeled unConstitutional, in the above articles.

Please, if you can, combat and refute them with irrefutable proof, and tell me we have not become a socialist, fascist, communist, marxist(they're all intertwined and meshed together...can't have one without a little of the others) Country.

Georgia Guidestones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

http://www.google.com/search?q=geor...gWei4GgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=540

http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

Who is behind this global fascist, new world order crap?

The global fascist united nations, bilderberg group, vatican, counsel on foreign relations, trilateral commission, free masons, and they're behind everything that's going on with the destruction of America, our U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence, to finish their implementing of their one world government system.

These are irrefutable facts and truths, and historical. Do the research.

Don't reply or respond with your same dribble, "paranoid delusions."

You're delusional, and those like you because you won't face the truths and facts and matters at hand. Your head's buried in the sand.

Unless, of course, you're one of those who are the advocates of what's been going on, and you're trying to spread mis and disinformation on purpose, with an effort to try to keep people from waking up about what's going on.

You've already shown your true colors, rahl. You've proven that you are the latter.

REFUTE THIS!!!

IF YOU FIRE BACK WITH YOUR "PARANOID DELUSIONS" RESPONSE, YOU'VE PROVEN THAT YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG, AND YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, AND HAVEN'T RESEARCHED ANYTHING.

GROW A PAIR AND DO THE RESEARCH.

YOU'RE AFRAID OF WHAT THE TRUTH IS, AND YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT!!!

 

Concerning North American Union:

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_323_32356.php