Are you actually ready to buy an Electric Vehicle?

State Supported(?) Protests Rock Elon Musk’s Chinese Tesla Venture
Eric Worrall
Have the Chinese Communists fallen out of love with Tesla? Or have they stolen enough Tesla technology to launch their own ripoff, and don’t need Musk any more?

 

I have no idea, as about the only time I watch Fox News is when there's a major disaster breaking news situation, like say a terrorist attack or a large plane crash. Neither of which has happened in quite some time now, to the best of my knowledge.

As for the "two brain cells" comment, it's something I've been saying for many years, so it FNC is also saying it, perhaps they're copying me instead of the other way around.

 

Does it bother you that when you are asked to state your point as a testable proposition that you are capable of only deflection?

Dig deeper.
Do better.

 

No it doesn't bother me at all....
in fact..if it is bothering you....you probably need to take a look at yourself.
Those things that bother us about other folks...are usually in us also.

But as far as this topic goes...I've given you all the information that I have learned first hand...
take it of leave it....I wont be offended.

 

Have you ever owned an Arc welder?

Even those take a special electric plug that can handle the high amount of electric current going to the welder,
It is not one battery in an EV, it is hundreds of them.

Here it is easy to see your garage is not equipped to charge electric cars. See the sockets needed.
https://www.mobilityhouse.com/int_e...blic charging stations are,1 and type 2 plugs.

Heaven help you if you live in a rental or apartment.

 

When you price a used battery pack for the Tesla and it comes in at around $18,000 you learn what costs actually look like.

 

Yes I have a welder...it plugs into a 220 volt receptacle in the barn.
I can also charge the Tesla from that same 220 volt receptacle in the barn.
The Tesla comes with two interchangeable cord ends.


The cord end on the left is 220 volt....the one on the right is 120 volt.
Here is what the receptacles look like....

You can drive the Tesla home and plug it right into the 110/120 volt receptacle in your garage.

 

What percent of Americans have barns with the correct plug to plug in immediately?
How many apartments come with Barns with the correct plug?

 

I've already told you...the standard 110/120 volt receptacle
that you have in your garage or outside your house is preferable.
They are standard residential receptacles that everyone uses every day.
As for the welder receptacle...Tesla has that covered too...
just need the appropriate adapter for the charging cord.

 

Good luck finding the correct plug as you travel around Yellowstone park.

 

Most people have insurance to cover accidental damage and the cost for a new replacement, including labor, as of January of this year was $16,550.67

Prices are also dropping ~2% while ICE engines increase by ~5% per year.

Tesla also has a 100,000 mile 8 year warranty on these battery packs. If you drive what the average American does each year (13,500) you would have saved around $11k vs a vehicle that gets 28 miles per gallon and had zero oil changes during that time.

I just had to change out the motor in one of our fleet vehicles so I can assure you, this is not an issue of only EV’s.

 

They already have the plug, most EV owners carry around an adapter.

As to Yellowstone:
https://www.nps.gov/articles/evcharging.htm

The hate y’all have towards EV is irrational.

 

It doesn't bother me that you are proving incapable of putting your claims into testable propositions, in fact it supports my premise that you are repeating rhetoric that you really don't understand. Indoctrination generally poses as education, but, this is the test that reveals if one is indoctrinated or educated. If they cannot put their points into testable form, they may be indoctrinated rather than educated. The indoctrinated generally do not understand that. Part of the indoctrination that they accepted was that they were educated. But, if you are essentially repeating phrases and lines you have memorized and unable to put your positions into testable forms that allow you to evaluate them against real world facts and evidence, you very likely really don't understand the material you are discussing even though you have been assured that you are an expert on it.

You have informed all of us that you have solar panels and an electrically powered car and made it clear that our nation's wide use of Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) is "unsustainable." You have also made it quite clear that you view your solar panels and electrically powered car as the more virtuous choice that all should emulate without question.

So, I asked you some testable points:

i) If our use of the ICE is "unsustainable" why do we have the cleanest air on the planet for a major nation with our economic vigor? - and I included support verifying my claim.

ii) What is the life expectancy of your solar panels and batteries and what do you plan to do with them when they are no longer able to perform the function they exist to perform?

This question was designed to help you consider the true environmental cost of the path that you have chosen, and I see no evidence that you even considered these important points, and that's the problem, as a nation at the urging of the same folks who indoctrinated you, we are making a massive investment in creating all these batteries, wind and solar products that have a limited lifespan, for example, a person in their 20's relying on solar panels, by the time they are in their 80's, they will be on their 3rd set, and the first two will have been disposed of. Do you have any sense of the magnitude of this challenge?

80 million tons of hazardous waste.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/solar-panel-waste-the-dark-side-of-clean-energy

Also, look at what the process includes: Burning them in Cement Ovens. As you watch the Green New Deal continue to get rolled out, watch for all the commenting that they will include on how important it is to regulate and limit cement ovens because of all the energy they use and all products of combustion they give off, and then remember this conversation, that it's precisely Cement Ovens that we are using to dispose of end of life cycle solar panels, and no small amount, 80 million TONS by 2050. As you smugly reflect on your own virtuous choices, proudly claiming your moral superiority over the unenlightened who use ICE, have you given these very challenging and serious issues any thought?

Do you have any idea how destructive to the life and health of all living creatures the metal poisoning of groundwater and soil is? Even after cooking the panel waste, all this waste is still going into landfills, that require constant effort and upkeep to prevent the metal pollution from the various heavy, exotic and otherwise metals that make up the noncombustible portion of these batteries and panels from fouling our land and water. Do you realize that this is an eternal process? These Toxic metals do not degrade to something else. They will remain in these landfills for as long as we can keep them sealed, and when, as most human endeavors do, the system fails, they will foul the surrounding water and soil. In our history, how long can humans operate a project without interruption? In 3,000 years these toxic metals in these landfills will be just as toxic as the day they were deposited, and at regular intervals of adding 80 million tons, how much effort and expense will this consume? How much land mass will it require that will be unavailable for any other use? You sure aren't going to farm over these massively expanding landfills. It is morally right for us to task future generations with this burden?

Do you think the government has taken this into account and made adequate provision even as, with tax breaks, they fill the auto markets with these battery packs and our roofs with these panels? As you consider that, consider also that the government has yet to deal with all the radioactive waste they generated in our quest for nuclear weapons and then nuclear power.

Here is just one example, a

Inside America's most toxic nuclear waste dump, where 56 ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/hanford-nuclear-site-photos-toxic-waste-2019-9?op=1
Sitting on 586 square miles of desert in Washington, the Hanford Nuclear Reservation is the most toxic place in America. Buried beneath the ground, in storage tanks, are 56 million gallons of...

Other places nuclear waste is packed into massive quantities of old rotting metal drums, leaking and leaching into the surrounding soil. Is it really unreasonable to ask that the government clean up their past messes before they create new ones?

This isn't about your feelings. This is about facts, information and the accurate calculation of opportunity, risk and exposure.

 

Almost every campground has both 110 volt and 220 volt electrical outlets at EACH of the individual powered campsites.
You have your choice of which to use.
During the three years we have owned this EV...we've only used the 220 volt welding outlet one time....
just to see that it would work if needed.
If a person leaves home everyday at 7am and returns home at 5pm....that leaves 14 hours to charge your vehicle over night.
That means you could drive 70 miles round trip to work and back every day..
and leave every morning with a full charge. (A full charge is about 271 miles).
Maximum charge is 310 miles...but keeping the charge a bit lower at 270 will extend battery life.
If you are planning a long trip..then you increase the charge to 310.

 

If you are planning a long trip, take the ICE vehicle.

 

Lol...actually it is quite obvious that anything you say is going to support your premise....at least in your mind.
Most of what I have written in this thread is from first hand experience...that is all I have to offer you.
You've relied mostly on information that you have found from sources other than yourself.
If you want info from other sources you are free to look for it and quote it all you want.

 

Yes that is certainly a valid choice.

 

The day when full electric cars, not hybrids, will out number ICE powered cars, is inevitable. Specialized vehicles like tractors and long haul trucking will hang on for a while but even they will be at least hybrids like the diesel electric.

Even the most anti electric vehicle car buyer will begin at least considering them in just a few years. Because at some point, when you can charge a car at home in minutes and not hours then go 300 miles with the performance of a race car while driving an suv.....wtf wouldn’t.

 

Plug in Hybrids are the obvious choice when you need both. They drive like full electrics for commuting, then worry free driving for 600 miles on weekends.

 

Yes we had the little Honda Civic Hybrid before the EV.
A great little car...put lots of miles on and never a problem.
To bad the road salt messes them up so bad.

 

Nope. It’s good weather, summer driving and relaxed covid restrictions.

 

We live in the rust belt. No car or truck I ever Had rusted. We keep them for 10-15 years. A yearly treatment of body panels from the inside with bio degradable oil does the trick. It’s a 20 minute job.

 

Hybrids are a great bridge vehicle.

 

Cool! Have never heard of that.
Would you happen to know of any info online that I could look at?

 

I use a dedicated garden sprayer and cut the oil with a little gasoline.
Since I started using bio degradable oil, I haven’t had to do it over newspaper. Rust in the fenders, doors and rocker panels start from the inside in the welds at the bottom of cars. So spray into drain holes or in door jams. When it flows out the drain holes, you’ve done the job. You can pop off trim panels to reach quarters and rocker panels. Under the car or truck, I don’t spray much, only where I can’t reach. I “paint” truck frame in vulnerable areas with foam brush using red grease ( wheel bearing grease).

Google and utube others, hope this helps I’ve never had a rust problem....never in cars 10-15 years old. If you do it yearly, I’ve given cars to kids that never rusted for years after I stopped treatment. Obviously, if there is paint damage
, you need to touch those up. Or on older cars, just a little grease in areas not too visible. New cars, I wait a year or two before I start treating them.

And, with no rust, cars can still be worth 5-10 thousand when it would be practically nothing if they fail inspection. I can’t think of a better way to make a thousand bucks a year for 20-30 minutes work.