Are you for or against multiculturalism?

Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by m2catter, Nov 16, 2016.

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Are you for or against multiculturalism?

Poll closed Nov 30, 2016.
  1. For

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  2. Against

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    With the latest news of a newly elected American president who will look very much after his own, and with Erdogan, Putin and others (incl. Xi Jinping) on the trigger, I am wondering where people in my own country stand.
    I would like you to be honest and tell us whether you are in favour or against multiculturalism in Australia.
    I embrace multicultarism every day, it is the spice in my life, I love it and couldn't do without.
    Cheers
     
  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your poll is missing an option; “No”
     
  3. see you next tuesday

    see you next tuesday Active Member

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    agree 100%

    I don't care where people are from, what colour their skin is, what religion they follow, what race they are.
     
  4. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    All for it Cats.

    Different cultures have been coming here for centuries. As long as they live by our laws, and interact peacefully and generally add to benefit of our nation, all is sweet.
     
  5. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My bad. I voted, but didn't realize the section/area applicable..
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It depends on what you call multiculturalism. If it means you give up your countries values then no. That is what is being foisted on the people under the label of multiculturalism. I assume what you value is diversity which is different than the current trend.
     
  7. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Well compare Australia and its neighbors like Indonesia...where you would rather be born..... I think the Anglo Saxon European culture is supreme and why would you want to wash it down with ones that are not as successful?
     
  8. culldav

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    Logic dictates, if multicultrualism really worked.

    Then we wouldn't have independent countries, or countries divided into separate States.

    We would all be ONE united country on ONE planet - wouldn't we?

    Just provided ONE example where multiculturalism from migration has helped the indigenous population of the country they populated?

    Scratching our heads are we? Take your time. :roflol: :roflol:

    Please give a more intelligent answer than food, because I can find a recipe for Sate chicken and other ethnic foods in a library cook book.

    I don't need my country invaded by Chinese and other foreigners to experience multiculturalism to learn how to cook their food. :roflol:
     
  9. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. I have no issue with negroes, yellow people or otherwise.
    2. I do enjoy provoking the left.
    3. I do not accept that we have a responsibility to accept all economic refugees anywhere in the world.
    4. The vast majority of migrants are economic refugees.
    5. We wouldn't have this problem if we didn't parade around the ME pretending that we know what we're doing.
    6. We've done pretty well for ourselves in preserving our culture. Most Asians assimilate. We have high levels of native culture compared with most European and American nations.
     
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    I came to Australia to live in 1965. I was 15 on the day we arrived at our new home in South Australia. It was pretty multicultural, but not obviously so. I met kids from all over the world but they didn't strike me as being all that different from me. I enjoyed my time in school though, learned about Australian Rules football among other things. I moved to Adelaide three years later and after a further 2.5 years in basic training I went out on the road. Boy was that an education. I remember being in the canteen at hq one night and one of the blokes had a thing in a foil tray. I'd never seen it before. It was lasagne. I was starting to understand about our society.

    A few years in Coober Pedy which back then in the 1970s was a wild place and populated mainly by Greek families, Italian families and single blokes from the then Yugoslavia (alright, there were families from Yugoslavia as well) and Indigenous people of course. There were fifteen Anglo Australians as well (nah, just kidding, there were quite a few and not all of them had false names and were dodging the cops, tax or ex-wives).

    I loved it there. And I learned so much about other cultures and the absolute generosity of spirit and hospitality and the various holidays and feast days (I almost remember a Greek Easter, my mate who owned the restaurant where the function was held, kept feeding me some stuff called Metaxa Seven Star).

    You'd have to be nuts to want plain vanilla Australia (not that it really ever existed).
     
  11. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    What is the success you are talking about?
    Americanized capitalism?
    Successful maccas at every corner?
    Stopping refugees from entering Australia, despite helping our best mate to bomb the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of their countries?
    Gives us an idea, please....
    Regards
     
  12. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Interesting comment.
    Life is always changing, you inflict the idea that change is negative. My biggest regret is that I was very stubborn as a young man, and didn't allow myself to look at things unbiased.
    So many wasted years,
    cheers
     
  13. Oxymoron

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    I don't know the computer your using, the lights and electricity that power it.... trains, cars.... books for that matter. Modern world is one made by English and Europeans..
     
  14. Phoebe Bump

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    I'm from the U.S. rather than Australia, but if I had to live my life solely among white western European types I'd go stark raving nuts. For one thing, I don't think my country has anything in the way of 'values' worth writing home about. Not anymore.
     
  15. culldav

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    Obviously the only thing multiculturalism is good for is exchanging food recipes. :roflol: :roflol:

    Well, lets all embrace multiculturalism based on food recipe exchanging, and telling stories about our cultural history. :roflol: :roflol:

    Some academic idiot makes up a word (Multiculturalism) and then makes up lies to justify the mean of the word, and morons believe it without question.

    Jesus Christ, no wonder the human race is devolving. :yawn:
     
  16. scarlet witch

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    I agree, I was early twenties when I moved here (twenty years ago)

    The European Anglo Saxon culture is boring, once you appreciate the spontaneity and vibrance of other cultures EAS culture is bland... it's like eating food without any salt, herbs and spices.

     
  17. m2catter

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    Hundreds of years back countries in the Middle East were thriving.
    Since 1800 its the industrialization of the West.
    Soon it might be Asia.
    It all comes and goes.....
    We are all human beings, time to celebrate!!!!
    Cheers
     
  18. LeftRightLeft

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    What absolute rot and typical American arrogance. The middle east had mathematics, science, writing when the English were still in the trees. Papyrus, the first paper, we use the Arabic numeral system to this day.

     
  19. Oxymoron

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    Couple of hundred years ago the Turks held the Middle East, and butchered anyone who had issue with that fact. Level of life style was at all time low since the golden age of Islam which was at the level of Greek and Roman Decline. We are all human beings, but different...and the world should be thankful for the Europeans, and Europeans should be proud of what we achieved.
     
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    1. Middle East Science, Math and Writing was Greek in origin, not Arabic research a bit....
    2. Papyrus was Egyptian who were not Arabic, and many argue were white or at least Mediterranean rather then Arabic or Black
    3. Phoenicians were Europeans.
    4. At the time of the Arabic golden age, Europe was outproducing the middle east in food output due to advancement in agriculture, they had better steel,
    better weapons, and when the Europeans had their Golden age they left the world far behind in innovation.

    European culture is superior and that is why Europe and European culture countries rule the world.
     
  21. Phoebe Bump

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    I think the human race is evolving. Their ain't nothing about sitting on a bridge playing a banjo that I find necessary.
     
  22. slipperyfish

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    I don't think elitism can be deemed as a positive for the evolution of the human race. The fact that anybody that disagrees with you are some kind of hillbilly sitting on a bridge playing a banjo, shows just how negative your form of "evolving" is.
     
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    Yes. I am sitting on a bridge playing a banjo, and I have asked a question you have not answered. What does that say about your own intellect?

    How has multiculturalism been successful and worked, besides the exchange of food recipes?

    It seems everyone has been saying that multiculturalism is good for exchanging food recipes, but NOTHING else.

    As I have always suspected. Exchanging food recipes is the glue holding multiculturalism together. :roflol: :roflol:

    Without food exchanges, our cultures are as different as night & day, and its time we fessed-up to the truth, and recognised it. Instead of trying to hide behind our satay chicken and dim sims.
     
  24. slipperyfish

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    Look I do think it goes deeper than food, and people use that as an example because it is easily identifiable.

    I think the reason multiculturalism has come under fire recently, or at least the last couple of decades is because a large number of immigrants that have migrated the world over are of the Islamic religion. Who could blame them?

    However, most countries have laws that are based on religious beliefs of the time. As it is apparent that a lot of the western culture is Christian by majority, it is realistic to assume that most of the laws and beliefs are Christian by value. In the Middle east you will find laws and beliefs centered around the Islamic faith. So it goes.

    Here in is the issue with Multiculturalism today. It wasn't easy decades ago when Italians, Greeks, Russians, and Slavic people immigrated to our shore in search of work and wealth. There was the inevitable clash of cultures, discrimination, and intolerance, however the fundamentals of law and beliefs were similar and made it easier to assimilate for our new Australians.

    Unfortunately for Muslims coming to a land where not only culture is vastly different, but also the fundamentals of our legal system. This makes it very difficult to assimilate, but it is what it is.

    I am a tolerant person and I enjoy the things that many cultures bring. The new concepts, different educational style, and of course the food! However we live in a country that has laws and beliefs based around Christianity. For those that wish to live under a different system, please feel free to move somewhere that has the system that you desire. I have no drama with people practicing their faith, no matter what it is, provided it is within the constraints of our legal system, and does not inhibit the freedoms of other faiths and beliefs.

    In my honest opinion, and it is just that, my opinion. I do not believe that Multiculturalism on a large scale can work unless the belief system is similar.
     
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    I consider you to be an intelligent individual, who understands and appreciates another individual being honest. So allow me to be perfectly honest. I don’t believe in “multiculturalism”, and believe its just a made-up word introduced by politicians to con citizens into accepting multicultural immigration into their country.

    Multiculturalism is nothing more than another word for multicultural immigration. So far, no one has been able to provide any valid positive proof how multiculturalism or multicultural immigration into another country has had any positive benefits to the indigenous populations of the country in which the multiculturalism/multicultural migration has occurred - besides exchanging cultural food recipes.

    I agree. The law systems of many Western countries, including many European countries have their foundations in Christian values. I also acknowledge as the populations of these countries intellectually advanced through the Centuries, they also changed their laws to accommodate the needs of their progressive societies and communities. This meant, abandoning many antiquated and “out-dated” religious laws in favour of modern concepts that met the needs of the people. The Christian religion has undergone many reformations throughout the centuries within its own church and doctrines to keep pace with the needs and demands of their own congregation, and modern law which citizens now demand.

    Some people really need to get their heads out of their arse’s and quickly understand that Islam is like no other religion on the face of the planet. Unlike many other religions, who have variations on their religious doctrines & laws to meet the needs of a modern society. There is NO forgiveness or acceptance within Islam for the non-believer. You have to be a “Muslim” and total believer in the Koran first, and everything else comes second - or you never get into Heaven (paradise). There is no way in hell a Muslim would ever jeopardise their own entry into Heaven for an infidel - non-Muslim.

    Islam is an antiquated religion that has never undergone any reformations to meet the needs of Muslims. There are no differences between “fanatical” Muslims and “Moderate” Muslims, because they all Muslims, who believe in Allah and the Koran.

    There is no way in hell any other religion or their congregation on the face of this planet would get away with condoning child sexual abuse through forced child marriages; discriminating against women; advocating the killing of gay individuals and the barbaric halal slaughter of innocent animals. But for some unknown reason, some people tolerate and accept Islam and Muslims doing this in their own country.
     

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