Are you for or against multiculturalism?

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Are you for or against multiculturalism?

Poll closed Nov 30, 2016.
  1. For

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  2. Against

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  1. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    I used the Magic 8 Ball. Made in China.
     
  2. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    Adherence to the law is a required condition. Aside from that people can do what they wish.
     
  3. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    My point is that the law itself requires the individual to assimilate to a point in order to comply. This is on the proviso that the law is administered in it's intended form, and not abbreviated to suit individual circumstances.
     
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    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    I took your point slip. But adherence to the law is not assimilation, it's simply something we should all do. If I go to another country to visit I must comply with the law in that country. I'm not assimilated. If I go to that country to live permanently then I must still comply with the law. That doesn't mean assimilation.
     
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    Agreed it is the spice of life. Damn I can go to any major city and take my pick of cuisines from around the world;)

    But in all seriousness this is the real reason why we should welcome refugees

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-26/aguek-nyok-recognised-by-taxi-industry-for-bus-rescue/8060384
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for explaining multiculturalism.
     
  7. slipperyfish

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    See I don't completely agree with you here D. By conforming to your new society's laws you have inadvertently assimilated to a point.

    Let us take a Muslim belief. Multiple marriages. It is illegal in Australia to take more than one wife, so therefore by following that law which was founded on the religious beliefs of your new country you have inadvertently assimilated to your new society's belief, albeit through the legal system. It may not be by choice, but assimilation through compliance nonetheless.

    It would be the same for a Christian women from western society moving to a state run under the Sharia law principle. BY adherence to the law she would, by no choice of her own, be assimilating to that society.

    This is just an example where by complying to a legal requirement of the said new society, you have no choice but to assimilate to a point, to the beliefs of the new society. Assimilation has many different levels, perhaps you are referring to full assimilation?
     
  8. LeftRightLeft

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    Garbage, and not the band.

    assimilate: to become part of a group, country, society, etc., or to make someone or something become part of a group, country, society, etc.
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/assimilate

    Obeying the law is not assimilating itself as you are not becoming part of the "group, country, society" you are just not getting arrested.

    When my ex was in Saudi Arabia working as a nurse, in the US hospital she wore a nurse's uniform. When she was out in public she wore a scarf over her head, she did this because it is the law, but would have anyway out of respect for their customs, not to become a Muslim or to be accepted as a part of their society, but to be accepted BY THEIR SOCIETY and of course stay out of jail.

    If an 18 year old goes to the states he isn't allowed to drink, not because he/they want him to assimilate, but because it is the law.
     
  9. slipperyfish

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    The answer is actually in the definition you posted up.
     
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    Oh please be so kind as to show me.
     
  11. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    Would you concede that a societies law is based of that societies belief of what is deemed right or wrong?
     
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    To a degree. Let's look at the marriage act.
     
  13. slipperyfish

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    Exactly, that is why I used it as my example.

    "assimilate: to become part of a group, country, society, etc., or to make someone or something become part of a group, country, society, etc.
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...ish/assimilate". This was the terminology you used in your post.

    By adhering to the marriage act, even though you believe in multiple wives, have you not under your terminology used above, been made to assimilate to the customs of your new society?
     
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    I think I might be in favour of Assimilation Lite then :smile: As long as people observe our laws then they can pretty much do whatever they like. They can wear what they like, eat what they like, worship how they like and so on. All we ask is they observe the law. I mean we don't force them to drink booze, eat meat pies, go to the footy and what have you. They can live as they wish, but obey the law.
     
  15. truthvigilante

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    Yes, great response. I think some people just make terminology cumbersome and vague but yet it can be so simple.

    The point is, people do not have to assimilate. Muslim countries vary substantially in terms of law, so our laws may not be too different to theirs. I don't think people know what Sharia Law is to be honest as well, but just use it blindly based on some negative media clip they saw.

    As you've alluded to, many people maintain their customs and probably have opportunity to lose customs not so savoury in western societies. I must say though that there are many unsavoury customs in western society that we all complain about on regular occasions, so it all balances out in terms of good and bad laws across countries!
     
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    No I would use the word "comply"

    I would be complying to "customs of your new society" not becoming a part of that new society.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
  18. slipperyfish

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    "Yes, great response. I think some people just make terminology cumbersome and vague but yet it can be so simple".

    I guess you will have to take this up with LRL, as it was his terminology.
     

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