ATF says medical marijuana patients can't own guns

Why arent the gun grabbers overjoyed at this great news?

Oh... cause suddenly they are singled out primarily and don't like it. Welcome to our world.

Yes this is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). No I'll not stand for it... but you wont stand with me... so sit in your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing drum circle, and I'll go get you your rights you don't want back so you don't feel picked on.

 

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Worst analogy ever. Aspirin is a drug. Zantac is a drug. These people should not be using guns.

 

"That's why they'll never legalize weed, no one can remember where they put the petition" George Carlin

 

Wrong, Aspirin is an Analgesic, so are the Antacids- Zantac, Tagamet, non Narcotics.

The Federal Government has never accepted Medical Marijuana as a legitimate medication, so Marijuana use of any kind is counted as a habitual use of illegal Narcotics, hence, the user was always banned from firearms by the ATF form 4473, this is nothing New, however, a presription for any legal narcotic despite a real danger, Oxycodone for instance, does not bar firearms ownership.

There are inherent risks to presciption narcotics that are not present with MM as a chronic pain medication.

 

which is wrong in and of itself, it can't be scheduled one substance if it has a valid medical use - just proves prohibitionists are abusing the system

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cocaine is a legal prescription, I had it prescribed when I had nose bleeds, they used it before cauterizing my nose, does that mean I can never own a gun now?

 

I have never heard of any form of Cocaine as treatment for Epistaxis, are you sure it was not another medication ?, Lidocaine is a vasoconstrictor.

Past use of a prescription medication is not an issue, it is illegal current habitual use.

Edited; I looked it up, this is cut & paste.

ANTERIOR EPISTAXIS

"If a single anterior bleeding site is found, vasoconstriction should be attempted with topical application of a 4 percent cocaine solution or an oxymetazoline or phenylephrine solution. For bleeding that is likely to require more aggressive treatment, a local anesthetic, such as a 4 percent cocaine solution or tetracaine or lidocaine (Xylocaine) solution, should be used. Adequate anesthesia should be obtained before treatment proceeds."

As far back as 1900, Cocaine use as a medication was discarded due to the dangers of addiction.

 

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I can google too as well as cut n paste, so can your BS. I was speaking about drugs in the colloquial sense but that flew way over your head.

 

I did not google anything or cut and paste, I went by my experience in Medicine, and Clinical practice as a Healthcare provider.

I was not trying to be offensive, if I was, I apologize.

 

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I strenuously apologize. It was I who was at fault, not you. I violated my own rule by posting too hastily. You are right of course. I think it's about time I smoke some dube, right now. After all, it's Labor Day.

 

I really enjoy your posts.
Have fun !

 

I am 100% sure it was cocaine, it was on the aerosol can they used... you do not forget something like that - lol

http://www.ncemi.org/cse/cse0308.htm

"Prepare 5 ml of 4% cocaine solution or a 1:1 mixture of tetracaine 2% (Pontocaine) for local anesthesia and epinephrine 1:1000 or pseudophedrine 1% (Neo-Synephrine) for vasoconstriction. "

a quick search shows my doctor was not the only one to use, as it is a valid prescription..... but yet it too is still on the scheduled one classification.. why? that is supposed to be reserved for drugs with no valid medical use... right?

EDIT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauterization

"Frequent nose bleeds are most likely caused by an exposed blood vessel in the nose. Even if the nose is not bleeding at the time, a physician may cauterize it to prevent future bleeding. Cauterization methods include burning the affected area with acid, hot metal, or lasers. Such a procedure is naturally quite painful. Sometimes a physician uses liquid nitrogen as a less painful alternative, though it is less effective. A physician may apply cocaine in the few countries that allow it for medical use. Cocaine is the only local anesthetic that also produces vasoconstriction,[9] making it ideal for controlling nosebleeds. More modern treatment applies silver nitrate after a local anesthetic—a procedure that is generally painless. The nose may run for up to a week after this treatment."

looks like silver nitrate may be replacing the tried and true process that works for me in the 1980's....

"As far back as 1900, Cocaine use as a medication was discarded due to the dangers of addiction."

as this was used on me in the 1980's, I would say that statement is false.....
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You can really tell the people who have never smoked marijuana and who have no clue about it. Lol.

 

I do know it has some limited clinical surgical uses, listed as cocaine hcl in the PDR, however, the danger of addiction has most providers antsy about prescribing it to most patients.

 

thank you for correcting yourself

the fact that it is a legal medication though, means it should not be a scheduled one substance....

 

It was not correcting, my source is the research by Dr. William Stewart Halstead of John Hopkins, he was the lab rodent in his experiments, he became addicted to cocaine and just about ruined his Medical career.

It is not entirely safe, as lets say Lidocaine also used in treating cardiac related events.

 

you made it sound like I did not really get treated with Cocaine when that was what I did get treated with, but I see you had edited your post to show it was indeed used for the purpose I described done to me... so were good, I was only trying to show it deed indeed have a medical purpose as well and thus should not be a scheduled one substance

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No,
My Medical experience or knowledge was lacking, and I only said I had never heard of that treatment, however, I never doubted you, that is why I looked it up.

That is why I posted that you were indeed correct.
In my clinical experience, cocaine was never prescribed to patients, only used as a adjunct to surgery or other measure.

 

cool, then it's all good

 

Just don't look at pictures of guns while you do it, that could get you prison time.

 

I have carried in a bar because it is legal here and I had no intention of drinking. I am all for people who smoke pot medically or recreationally being allowed to own a gun.

 

That's because cocaine can be prescribed legally as a Schedule II drug. Marijuana can't be.

 

MJ is illegal under federal law.
Under federal law, people who use illegal drugs cannot buy guns.
Why would anyone disagree with this?

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You missed it.
http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...dholders-have-no-second-amendment-rights.html

 

do you think Marijuana is more harmful them Cocaine or even Alcohol?

 

I'm just basing things on the law. At this point, there is no legal use for marijuana in medicine. Until that changes, medicinal pot users shouldn't be allowed to have guns. Laws are laws. I don't believe that state level legalization of medical marijuana is legal as long as there is federal law prohibiting that. It probably should be, but that's a different issue.

I think marijuana is more harmful than alcohol (only because it's fat soluble, and it takes longer to get out of the system than alcohol), but not by much, and less harmful than cocaine. That said, there is no legal medical use for marijuana.