Breaking active shooter at Washington navy yard. >>>MOD ALERT<<<<

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if you'll say that once your son or daughter is a victim. No guns for anybody but police and enlisted military would, and does in most of the civilized world.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The first one was the Texas Tower in 1963. About the time the NRA began to switch from being an organization devoted to gun safety and ramping up their propaganda to sell as many guns as they could to as many people as possible, no matter what.

    And please tell us how restrictions on people owning guns makes it easier for mentally ill people to get them?
     
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    So the NRA is a gun shop then?
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, but they're free advertising for every gun shop and manufacturer that exists. Their main purpose seems to be making sure that every person in America, even criminals and the mentally ill, has only the price as being their sole limitation on access to any gun they wish for any reason.
     
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    godisnotreal Well-Known Member

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    in the strictest sense, bravery is simply the will to confront fear or difficulty. Whether that results in something noble or ignoble is irrelevant to the definition.
     
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    Japan has Universal Healthcare and has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

    So take your deflection and trolling and shove it. Discuss Healthcare in another thread.
     
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    The "Official" story still will change a few times still imo.... Shotgun does no one any good specially Biden after his stupid comments. Doesnt matter if he had an "assault weapon" or not we will be told at one point or another he did so they need to be banned.

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    Active Duty military are the only ones allowed to carry. That would be like saying there are no gun free zones because LEO carry......

    The navy Yard is a gun free zone... Period.
     
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    List the countries that only allow police and military to carry.

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    Rule number #10 called.. Prove this.
     
  9. Texsdrifter

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    If the report from local police is true he obtained the rifle and pistol from victims. So yes I am sure civilians were not allowed to be armed. There were several guns available to the shooter besides his own. CNN still showing the black rifle saying they still do not know where he "bought" it.
     
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    Probably off security that he killed..... Its not like weapons are just lying around on a military base.. This isnt the movies where you constantly have armed troops around.
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Willya stop. This guy wouldn't have gone to Universal Heathcare if it had been available. He didn't consider himself crazy and, frankly, neither do I. He was a fantastically mean (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and he shouldn't have been let around sharp objects, let alone guns. He should have been arrested and convicted as felon in 2004, because he committed a felonious act. Instead he was let off, and I think he was let off because the NRA and the Republican leadership have created an atmosphere of tolerance for that kind of thing as long as nobody was hurt and the motive wasn't robbery
     
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    I'd have to disagree that "most" of the civilized world employs the kind of statement that you've made here. http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture

    I'd love to have a Japan-like situation where we could have our populace mostly unarmed, but that's not realistic in our multicultural "melting pot". So Americans are going to have to make a decision:

    A: Nationalize and ethno-centralize this nation to mainly Europeans/Asians(IE: The most productive and civilized among us)
    or
    B: We're just going to have to deal with crime as it occurs.
     
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    So its just your opinion the NRA has something to do with this... Just for clarity...
     
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    I said he removed it from victims if reports were true. I would assume the victims in question were security. I am aware that usually only MP and some civilian security have weapons on them. I remember Fort Hood.
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I know this will surprise you, as it certainly did me, but the majority of guns carried by people on military bases are not loaded. Just the threat of the weapon is usually considered enough and the military is very conscious of how much bad PR could be caused by an unfortunate case of mistaken identity or motive and/or even a simple accident, so they're willing to take the risk. Though incidents like this may change that policy
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    They're behind the atmosphere that allowed him to get off in 2004. I think this is more germane to the incident than the "liberal atmosphere of permissiveness" that always gets thrown around in these discussions. It's just my opinion, yeh, but you might try actually reading the articles I cited that back it. I know they're not from any of your normal fonts of wisdom, like Newsmax and World Nut Daily, but they are based on actual sources
     
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    Prove this as well ~
     
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    Considering i dont get my news from either of those sites i will just go with you trolling. The NRA isnt sitting behind every judge letting people off muhahahah.. Our jails are stuffed full of people but you make it sound like the NRA is somehow getting people out of trouble for some gun pushing agenda its beyond a crazy thought.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I don't see how licensing guns is "nationalizing and ethno-centralizing" (whatever that means) to anyone

    If these things get like, bimonthly, (and they ARE starting to), IMO, SOMEBODY big in the gunner community has to break down and say, "We need new and much stricter regs and they should be thus and so". Otherwise, I think we'll see Japan or Singapore type actions taken right here. It wouldn't bother me particularly but I know lots of people it would.

    And puhllleeze don't gimme that "cold dead fingers" bushwa. The first guy they shoot will see 200 million guns turned in the next day. Nobody wants to die to keep his ability to go nuts and kill a bunch of people for no reason.
     
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    The "Mass shootings" dont come even close to the death totals of regular murder/violence that we have on a yearly basis. Your agenda is plain as day.
     
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    Making an emotional argument doesn't change the fact that these things just happen and not much can be done about it . Sorry , our 2nd amendment will always exist and so will fire arm possession .
     
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    It's not actually inaccurate.Because go back and notice the reporting on the
    Bin Laden raid.Practically everything was dead wrong.Bin Laden was never outside
    the compound,engaged in rifle fire for 40 minutes with a woman hostage.That was
    ALL make believe by the usual suspects in the media.
    Just like it turned out there was NO Live feed into the Situation room where
    Obama and Hillary sat around and witnessed first hand the actual take down.
    That turned out to be a huge Lie.because that would have meant,video available
    showing an alive Bin Laden.We never had a single frame of anything showing an
    alive Bin Laden,let alone a dead Bin Laden.Just like the way those Seals did the
    Raid and BTW had their helmut camera's Turned off.How convenient.Just like the way
    the pentagon refused to show the pics of a dead Bin Laden,because they claimed it was
    too gruesome.How about There Was No pics of a Dead Bin Laden.Bin Laden had
    been dead for years.The entire Raid was a put on.Because Bin Laden hadn't been seen
    hide noir hair of in nearly 10 years.Plus he suffered Kidney disease.Was on Dialysis.
    5 years tops for anyone suffering his condition.
    These are False Flag events.Meant entirely for Political use.
    That is why reporting is sketchy at best.Because the narrative is being staged
    as the story becomes more political.Like the George Zimmerman fiasco.
     
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    I have three nephews that were in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    One was an admin in a rear unit. He collects for a twisted knee and PTSD. Never saw the first bit of action or death. Two others, have been diaged. Neither claim a penny of VA money. One is back in school and the other is a Sheriffs Deputy. Both are getting along fine in life with strong family ties and children of their own they have to think of.
    They refuse to be some broke down cant work wont work fly off the handle cry like a baby in front of every one sissy.
    Both of them were at FOBs and both saw plenty of combat. They both brought home video and pics to prove it.
    My father was a WWII vet and showed signs of it, had his moments. But was raised to be a man. Came home from the war and started his career in police work in Washington DC.
     
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    Then we could be dominated by the govt like Syrians are. What a brilliant idea!
     

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