Calling folks racist on this forum

Because the word is being used as a weapon. It's been abused.

 

Yes, we should all confine ourselves to politically correct speech, because free speech is only for the left. The rest of us are expected to shut up !!!!

 

I was called a racist for posting a Bach video in the "what are you listening to" thread. Apparently, being a Ron Paul supporter had something to do with it as well.

 

Just goes to show, lefties are looney.

 

It doesn't take much to qualify as a racist in the eyes of some. The word has become so all encompassing (intentionally) that nearly anything short of praise is controversial. It's by design. The tactic of calling someone racist to silence and demonize them has been effective for a long time.

 

Members should simply read the Forum Rule on Personal Insults/Attacks:

Members are never the topic of a thread and posts should not be addressing them, ever! Address the opinion expressed and not the member.

Even if a member states they are a liberal, conservative, racist, tree hugger, or whatever other members should not be calling that member anything. It is off topic and can be considered to be a personal insult/attack.

Simple rule is don't address the member in any manner. Even calling a member a "conservative" after they've stated they're a conservative can be a personal attack. If nothing else it is off topic which violates another Forum Rule that prohibits off topic trolling by members.

STICK TO THE TOPIC AND OPINIONS EXPRESSED AND DO NOT DISCUSS THE MEMBER.

The criteria is very clear.

Shiva_TD
Site Moderator

 

Exactly; Precisely and Specifically what I said ... I was an NOC Center Director for 5 years and now I'm a Software Development Director ... so I know network security; what are you crying about, what's wrong with that? I'm giving you ans others "Feedback" ... isn't that the purpose of this section?

 

Racists don't use words as weapons, do they?

They don't need weapons... they love everyone. The original quintessential benevolent ones.

 

there are people on this forum who are clearly racist.

if you have seen any of their posts, you would have to be stupid to say that calling them racist is using the word as a weapon, or abusing the word.

there are a lot of others who I might regard as racist, but I would probably not call them as racists as their racism may well be unintentional.

but there are some here who are consciously racist, and proud of being that way.

 

There's a Section called Civic/Race Relations

If you read what is posted there, it should become visually obvious who is racist and who is not.

 

Maybe so, but posters don't get to decide who they are and call them out for it. That's a personal attack, and I will report anyone who does that. Count on it.

 

Trinnity ain’t Lying … this place is crawling with Tattle-Tails.

Come-On … laugh … it’s Friday!

 

thankfully I haven't gotten myself into trouble with any of them (at least I don't think). The only time I reported a post was because someone was talking about screwing little kids.

Bigotry and name calling just discredits the post for me, I don't see a need to take any action over them.

 

Calling a member anything that can be interpreted to be derogatory is a violation of the Forum Rules and is also off-topic flamebaiting.

Members are never a topic of discussion. How many times must that be repeated?


Shiva_TD
Site Moderator

 

Who said that? You are welcome to say whatever racist things you want, most likely I will refrain from posting my thoughts on the matter anyway. I am just stating my opinion that I think its silly to be upset over being called out on it.

 

I agree its time for the moderators to at least start taking names. This forum is turning into an adolescent locker room for personal attack and worse. At one time not long ago that was not the case. This place seems to be changing from a good civil forum to one that relies on insult and bigotry instead of productive debate. Yes I do my part of mud slinging but I do so in self defense and could show cause of why I began being uncivil by tracing the first unsavory comment to someone other than myself in the overwhelming majority of cases! BTW, if its against the forum rules to call someone raciest two or three members should have been banned several times over for calling me a racist more times than I can count when discussing the Palestinian 'return' or 'no return' policy.

reva

 

I GOT ... as difficult as it may be ...

 

I will call out vile racists every time they spew their hate, bigotry, and prejudism against others because of their race, religion, sex or ethnic background.

Count on it.

We've seen what happens in history when racists are tolerated.

 

Good for you Trinnity! long time no see btw. Hang in there and keep fighting the good fight Trinnity ~ What you say is true. The Mods have a difficult job to do and the bad part about it is the subjective nature of many calls. However when someone calls another a racist that is clearly flame baiting. I sometimes report and sometimes not depending on the circumstances. I have conservative values, but I also could be called a rabid liberal on some things. That breeds confusion. Such as some members (the Usual Suspects) stereotyping me. In any case name calling should be a violation in every instance save for a nervous breakdown or something similar IMO.

reva

 

No one is more opposed to invidious racism than I am and I would make a point. When we digress from attacking their propaganda which is based upon 1/2 truths and ignorance and resort to attacking the racist as a person we lose that fight. Those of us that oppose racism need to be informed and provide facts that dispel the 1/2 truths and ignorance.

We'll never convince the racist that they're bigoted hate mongers. The very nature of a bigoted racist is to reject any evidence that contradicts their pre-conceived ideas. The arguments we present are not about converting the racist but instead are about exposing the racist propaganda for what it is to others. Attacking the racist doesn't provide any argument against what they've said.

Of course attacking the racist (or any other member) is against the Forum Rules and if a member refuses to comply with those rules then eventually they won't be a member. How does being permabanned from Political Forum win the war against invidious racism?

Shiva_TD

 

I know the rules, and you do what you feel you need to do.

People call each other names here all the time and it is completely tolerated by the mod staff. I've been called a leftist, socialist, communist, and Marxist, and far worse, I don't know how many hundreds if not thousands of times and no mod has ever said a peep out that.

 

Each of those "names" you been called would be considered a personal insult/attack if they were reported as such. If a member Reported a post where they were called a "conservative" and they said in the Report "I find being called a conservative to be highly offensive and derogatory" I don't see how a moderator could not act on it.

Derogatory name-calling is not tolerated by the moderators as it's a violation of the Forum Rule. That doesn't imply members don't do it and, in fact, they do it far more often than the moderators could hope to deal with.

It's as unrealistic to expect the moderators to address every personal attack on Political Forum as it is to expect the State Patrol to issue a speeding ticket to everyone that breaks the speed limit on the highway. At the sametime we issue more infractions for personal attacks than for anything else and repeated personal attacks are the most common reason for tempbans and permabans. I would think that most members know that.

Shiva_TD
Site Moderator

 

Oh My God ... you're kidding ...

I'm glad I don't have to do stuff like this ... I don't have the temperament.

I'm far more adapt at aggravating ... Good Luck

Sorry if I put you through any drama ...

 

Plenty of words are used as weapons on this forum and abused. That doesn't stop the moderators from making calls on a case by case basis.

It's odd that the mods explicitly state that racism is fine but calling someone who spouts racism a racist is not. Seems a little agenda based to me.

I can call you a woman. You can call me a man. You can call me an American. Heck if I write a post in all cap bold letters you can call me angry. But if I am talking about black people and say this...

Sad but they are just animals.

And you call me racist that is against the rules. It's an internet forum. You can make up a rule that if you are talking about the solar system you will be banned if you don't say the sun goes around the earth. It doesn't mean a rule is logical or fair.

We get it. Making racist remarks okay. FIRST AMENDMENT! Calling someone who habitially makes racist remarks a racist? Not okay. First Amendment is on a lil' vaca'.

 

Don't let it bother you, you'll never meet people like this outside of a Internet Forum ... they just can't do it.