Corporal punishment still happening in American schools? WTF?

well, that is why i was responding to foxhastings that made no such separation.

 

Total BS. You are suggesting that the lack of beating and humiliating students arbitrarily by high school gym teachers or Vice Principals has created “an entire generation of entitled brats”. Of course you have absolutely no evidence of this. And by the way, people have been resisting arrest since the beginning of the law enforcement profession thousands of years ago.

I would submit to you that it is far more likely that a generation of violent sadistic criminals has been unleashed on this world as a result of physical abuse suffered at the hands of their parents and or school teachers. Statistics will bear me out regarding that fact. Ask any court appointed psychologist and you will find that most violent, sadistic repeat felons were abused at home or in institutions.

After rejecting humiliation and abuse from teachers in Junior High, I noticed that it still went on and that many of those who accepted that kind of abuse went on to college and joined Fraternities who also engaged in this creepy practice and delighted in beating lower classmen regularly. Many sick creeps came out of those fraternities and were unleashed on the world. Jim Jordan types. Anyone with that sado masochistic tendency is a threat to all of us.

 

No, it isn't just corporal punishment. Liberals have been suing schools for decades for any attempts to instill discipline.

 

The evidence is right there on your local news channel every day.

Really, how many 60 year old baby boomers are shooting up schools, fighting with police, refusing to comply with an officers order, and looting businesses.
I rest my case.

 

You have no case. Any way you slice it, beating and humiliating children at school and at home is a sick and twisted practice. Dealing with children in a reasonable and non violent manner is always indicated. The prisons are full of 55-70 year old violent felons who were abused at home and institutions by people who thought that whatever they were doing was proper and acceptable. Hopefully as we evolve as a species this type of sick sadistic bullying will be stomped out. In the last decade, there have been wide indictments against these creepy fraternities who have caused deaths by hazing and beating schoolmates. This is a direct result of the culture of violence perpetrated by ignorant, mean, Bible thumping parents and out of control school systems.

 

Says the guy who can't provide a single piece of evidence of some baby boomer looting stores, burning businesses, refusing to comply, and taking over a city.

You will never sell the story of spanking as beating and humiliating children. Thats just your own twist on things.

Being abused means sexual assault and being beaten. You are never going to find violent felons who became violent felons because they got a spanking.

So you equate college hazing to being spanked? Maybe thats your problem right there. I have no idea what your definition of a spanking is but it doesn't involve beating, sexual assault, or hazing.

 

1) We are not talking about the riots which happened last year as a result of the George Floyd video being released. Are you suggesting that these riots were a result of lack of corporal punishment in schools? Pretty f*%king silly.

2) The story of how corporal punishment was used in mine and most Junior and Senior High Schools during the late ‘60s early ‘70s was definitely beating and abuse. As I said, anyone who was caught doing this to a child today would be charged rightly with assault and battery and sexual abuse. No question about it.

3) Being abused means being physically or sexually assaulted. Bending someone over and beating them with a dense wooden object being swung like a tennis racquet constitutes assault. When the abuser gets some sick sexual gratification from it it becomes sexual assault.

4) The creeps involved in college hazing used the exact same equipment and tech niche to hurt and humiliate their new recruits that the Junior High and High School teachers used. Where do you suppose these slimy creeps learned this crap? Parents and teachers are supposed to be role models not bullies and creeps. See what I mean?

 

What we are talking about is the level of stupidity and entitlement from the last 5 years of destruction, assault, murder, looting, tearing down statues, screaming at the sky events, Antifa, BLM, all because they didn't get the candidate they wanted as president from a generation of stupidity and entitlement.

 

Groups that were involved in rioting looting and burning cities came from both sides of the political spectrum. Many peaceful protests that turned into riots were caused by confrontations by Trumpy morons like Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys and Oath Keepers. I never heard any Democrat politician call for looting, burning or assaulting people. However I constantly saw Trump inciting these right wing idiot factories. Talk about a level f stupidity and entitlement. These jackasses thought they were entitled to hang the VP for not overturning the election for Trump. I heard and saw them....did you?

 

Something tells me kids in a private school are probably far less likely to have any behavioral problems.
Not because of the school but the type of kids that are going there.

 

I half agree with you, but there are two sides to every issue.

I'll just put it to you this way: you never see police called to deal with behavioral issues in Catholic schools.
(at least not the old-style ones where the nuns swap the kid's hands with a ruler)

There is a time for physical punishment, but it should be avoided in most cases.

 

Don't private school have to comply with curriculum?

 

Yeah, those catholic schools are well known for getting physical with teenage boys. No problem there at all....

 

Curriculum is what they call courses of study. I don't think that has anything to do with corporal punishment.

 

Yeah, but I was asking if you were suggesting that private schools should be able to do what they want. As in, in general.

 

Are we, or are we not talking about HOME schooling?

 

It's not about avoiding economic problems, it's about not bringing kids into unstable situations. If your position is so precarious that it won't survive the usual life challenges, you can't afford kids. It's that simple. Just get a ****ing goldfish.

 

That certainly isn't true in my country. Private school kids have the highest rates of drug and alcohol abuse, just for starters. Our 'best behaved' cohorts are within the public academically selective schools. Since it takes huge self-discipline to gain entry to those schools (via very tough exam), those kids already have high personal integrity and self-respect. And they come from all backgrounds, from poverty class to wealthy - so it has nothing to do with privilege or 'class'.

 

We are talking about home schooling, but you seem to be saying that any parent can be a teacher.

 

I think they have to follow state and federal laws, but there is no federal law against corporal punishment, and probably none in most states.

 

not everyone is born rich and can just borrow from mom and dad to get by

 

I said any parent can HOME SCHOOL. Home schooling parents are NOT teachers, they're just ordinary parents.

 

Exactly. So those of us not born lucky either need to work towards the financial stability that children deserve, or choose goldfish. Glad we agree.

 

no, otherwise your saying poor people have no right to have children

fact is, a middle class person can become poor overnight too

 

Where did I say ANYTHING about 'rights'?