Do you agree with race realism?

Elephants and whales do not build or do math or many other things. What is your argumentative point? You don't like the implications?

 

My solution to the crime problem, and especially black crime, is that we that we make punishment swift, certain, severe, and cheap. I would achieve the first two goals by increasing the power of the police, reducing the rights of the accused, and facilitating the appeals process. I would achieve the last two goals with the thorough exploitation of prison labor, the frequent use of capital and corporal punishment, and an end to recreational and educational opportunities.

I also favor replacing Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) with free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy. A single free abortion can save a small fortune in welfare, educational, and criminal justice expense.

 

So again. We nearly hunted whales to extinction and this is despite the fact that the ONE TIME one of them turned on his hunters it made such news that one of the Great Classic Novels was based on it? I mean these creatures had a brain that would rival a Toyota Corolla in overall mass yet somehow were unable to figure out that these fragile things that were throwing 12-foot spears into them could do real harm if neglected?

Y'know, it's sad telling all these racists that all this bullshit is utterly meaningless from a scientific pov because we have NO idea what makes a brain intelligent and not and there are BIRDS that appear smarter than most other animals, (and quite a few humans). I mean, most of them have so little beyond their delusions that they're really smarter than Justice Clarence Thomas or Neil deGrasse Tyson because mommy and daddy had nothing else to do in the trailer park but have 12 beautifully white children that it's just pitiful, but then they go putting on the black t-shirts and buying the tiki torches and that's sure as hell no fun either.

 

I really dont see how making science racist is relevant. Oh well.. Here is the data so you can argue that science is racist.


Line 1 gives a median IQ of 54 for Bushmen of the Kalahari desert from three studies in which the IQ ranges from 48 to 62. This corresponds to the mental age of an 8-year-old European.

Lines 2 and 3 give an IQ of 62 and 63 for Aborigines in Australia and New Guinea. The combination of these two results gives a weighted IQ of 62, the mental age of a 10-year-old European.

Line 4 gives an IQ of 67 for Africans in sub-Saharan Africa from 57 different studies. This corresponds to the mental age of an 11 year old European.

Line 5 gives an IQ of 71 for Africans in the Caribbean and Brazil, from 14 studies.

Line 6 gives an IQ of 85 for Africans in the United States, averaged from 29 studies.

Line 7 gives the same IQ of 85 for Africans in the Netherlands, derived from 7 studies.

Line 8 gives an almost identical IQ of 86 for Africans in Great Britain, coming from 18 studies. Thus, Africans outside Africa get higher IQs than Africans in Africa. There are two explanations for this. First of all, many Africans in the Caribbean, the United States, the Netherlands and Britain are racial hybrids with appreciable amounts of European ancestry. Secondly, Africans living outside Africa live, to varying degrees, in societies largely managed by Europeans and the standard of living is better, which increases I.Q largely thanks to better nutrition.

Lines 9 to 13 give the IQ of South Asians and North Africans in various places.

Line 9 gives an IQ of 84 for South Asians and North Africans in their home country, from 37 studies in 17 countries. This is the mental age of a 13 year old European.

Line 10 gives an IQ of 92 for South Asians and North Africans in Great Britain, from 16 studies.

Line 11 gives an IQ of 85 for South Asians and North Africans from Continental Europe from 18 studies in three countries.

Line 12 gives an IQ of 86 for South Asians and North Africans in Africa from 6 studies in two countries.

Line 13 gives an IQ of 85 for South and North African Asians from 3 studies in Fiji, Malaysia and Mauritius.

The IQs of South Asians and North Africans are quite uniform, ranging from 84 to 91.

Line 14 gives an IQ of 85 for Pacific Islanders, from 14 samples

Line 15 gives an IQ of 90 from 12 studies for Pacific Island Maori (Pacific Islanders) in New Zealand. The reason why the Pacific Islanders’ IQ is higher in New Zealand is probably that they enjoy a higher standard of living because they live in a European-run country. For this reason, the IQ of 85 is adopted as the Pacific Islanders’ best I.Q estimation.

Line 16 gives an IQ of 87 for Southeast Asians in their country of origin, from 11 studies in 6 countries.

Line 17 gives an IQ of 93 for Southeast Asians in the United States and the Netherlands. The reason why their I.Q is higher than in South Asia is probably that there have been some selective migrations and that the living conditions are higher.

Line 18 gives an IQ of 86 for Amerindians in North America, from 19 studies.

Line 19 gives the same IQ of 86 for Amerindians in Latin America, from 9 studies from 5 countries. The IQ of 86 is adopted as the best estimate of the IQ of the Amerindians.

Line 20 gives an IQ of 91 for Eskimos from North America, from 15 studies in Alaska and Canada.

Line 21 gives an IQ of 99 for Europeans, this is the average of 66 studies in 25 countries (this median excludes the Balkans, which are mixed areas with South Asia).

Line 22 gives an IQ of 99 for Europeans outside Europe, from 23 studies in 12 countries. The median of all studies is 99 and is adopted as the best estimation of Europeans’ I.Q.

Line 23 gives an IQ of 105 for East Asians in their country of origin, this is an average of 60 studies in 7 countries.

Line 24 gives an IQ of 101 for East Asians in the United States from 26 studies.

Line 25 gives an IQ of 102 for East Asians in other locations, obtained from 9 studies in 5 countries (Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Malaysia, Netherlands).

The reason why the IQ of East Asians is higher in their home country than in the United States and elsewhere is probably that there have been some selective migrations of those with below-average intelligence. In the case of Belgium, Canada and the Netherlands, it is not the case, because they are as high as in East Asia. It is possible that the lower IQ of 99 of East Asians in Brazil and Malaysia is partly attributable to the lower standard of living of these countries (the Europeans get in this study an average I.Q of 95). Due to the probability of some selective migration processes, an IQ of 105 is the best estimate of IQ of East Asians.

 

Actually we do know.

A dozen of large races or populations (genetic clusters) have emerged as a result of geographical isolation. The differences between these races, both physical and intellectual, are attributable to climate. As they progressed northward, men were confronted with increasingly harsh temperatures, producing an increasing gradient of selective pressure leading to an increase in cranial capacity, IQ, and altruism.

The climate and the second ice age (Würm period between -30,000 and -10,000) … major factors of intellectual variation between races.
The explanation of racial differences in intelligence, now widely accepted, is that man has evolved from equatorial East Africa. Some 100,000 years ago, some groups migrated north, to North Africa, then to Asia and Europe. These groups encountered a difficult environment in which there were no plants or insects to feed all year round, so they had to hunt large animals like mammoths for their food. They also had to heat themselves and so they had to learn to make clothes and shelter. These problems became even more important during the Ice Age, which began about 28,000 years ago and lasted until about 11,000 years ago, turning all of Eurasia into a sub-Arctic region. All of these challenges required higher intelligence. Only the most intelligent have been able to survive in these harsh environments while the less intelligent have perished, which has gradually increased the frequency of alleles for high intelligence in the northern hemisphere (for details of genetic processes, read the paragraph Genetics of intelligence)



A visible result is that brain size in Europe and East Asia has increased to account for the greater intelligence needed to overcome these problems. The pelvis has also expanded, to allow the passage of larger brain at birth. East Asians have the widest pelvis, followed by Europeans. Africans have a narrower pelvis. The anteroposterior diameter of the pelvis is 103 mm on average in Africans, against 118 mm in Europeans.



For a detailed explanation of the evolution of intellectual differences between races, see Evolution of Intellectual Differences.

Cold selection also took place in different bird species. Bird breeds located farther north, in harsher climates, have larger brains and more flexible and innovative behaviors (TC Roth & Pravosudov, 2009. Sayol et al., 2016. Sol et al., 2005 ). Chickadee varieties living in more northern latitudes, for example, have bigger cranial capacity and higher intelligence (Rindermann, 201. Fossil studies show that skull capacity and pelvis width (required for larger brains) are related to latitude (Beals et al., 1984). Moreover, among hunter-gatherer societies, the complexity of tools (number of different tools) increases with latitude (Collared, Kemery and Banks, 2005).

The average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is 71, it is 84 in North Africa, Portugal 95, France 98, Belgium 99, the Netherlands 100, East Asia 106.

Würm temperature indicates the temperature during the second ice age, which was the main catalyst of intelligence (see chapter Evolution of intellectual differences)

Table 16.2. Race differences in winter temperatures (degrees centigrade) and brain size

Race Winter Temp Wurm Temp Brain Size IQ
Arctic Peoples -15 -20 1,443 91
East Asians -7 -12 1,416 105
Europeans 0 -5 1,369 99
Native Americans 7 5 1,366 86
S. Asian & N. Africans 12 7 1,293 84
Bushmen 15 15 1,270 54
Africans 17 17 1,280 67
Australian aborigines 17 17 1,225 62
Southeast Asians 24 24 1,332 87
Pacific Islanders 24 24 1,317 85

 

Scientific American, "Does Brain Size Matter?" by Christof Koch on January 1, 2016

In healthy volunteers, total brain volume weakly correlates with intelligence, with a correlation value between 0.3 and 0.4 out of a possible 1.0. In other words, brain size accounts for between 9 and 16 percent of the overall variability in general intelligence. Functional scans, used to look for brain areas linked to particular mental activities, reveal that the parietal, temporal and frontal regions of the cortex, along with the thickness of these regions, correlate with intelligence but, again, only modestly so. Thus, on average, a bigger brain is associated with somewhat higher intelligence.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-brain-size-matter1/#:~:text=In%20healthy%20volunteers%2C%20total%20brain,overall%20variability%20in%20general%20intelligence.

 

That website certainly seems to cater to a white supremacist belief. One of the authors the website praises is Ricard Lynn, a known scientist with a white supremacist agenda.

 

If you were trying to persuade me Whites are inferior, this thread is a good start.

 

Right. I forgot. Everything is racist.

 

When you quote from one, yeah.

 

Right all the hundreds of independent surveys and studies are all racist because why again? Someone not even cited? I think the denial of the facts speaks volumes .

 

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Richard Lynn has compiled what I believe is the only chart of estimates of average IQ in different countries. His chart is here:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/smartest-countries

As you can see, the six countries and cities with the highest IQ averages are Oriental. Needless to say, Richard Lynn has been denounced as a racist. Nevertheless, his IQ averages correlate well with the test results of the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) which is a worldwide study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in member and non-member nations intended to evaluate educational systems by measuring 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance on mathematics, science, and reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

 

Blacks tend to perform poorly on all the mental aptitude tests, however they are designed. I have read that black scores on the SAT and the ACT over estimate their performance in college. When scores are held constant, whites perform better.

By every objective, measurable criterion blacks tend to be less intelligent than whites. This is not changing, despite expensive efforts to close the race gap like Head Start and No Child Left Behind.

 

Sorry, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck, or in this case, racist pseudoscience.

 

Arguments against race realism tend to be of this ^ quality.

 

What is pseudo about it? Where is there scientific evidence of intrinsic racial equality in intelligence?

 

Don’t feed the racists.

 

In the contemporary parlance a racist is anyone who says anything critical of blacks. The more obviously true the statement is, the more serious the offense. Race is an issue where the more one ignores scientific facts the more enlightened one is said to be. When one is accused of racism truth is no defense. It is evidence for the prosecution.

 

Those pesky racist scientific facts...

 

Blah, blah, blah.

 

I have learned to expect responses like that when arguing in favor of race realism.

 

Exactly. About 90% of difference is accounted for by culture.

Racists hate that idea though, so good luck with promoting it. They desperately want to believe that an individual's circumstances - at least in the democratic west - are a result of race (accident of birth), not optional behaviour (culture).

 

Culture comes from genes that differ in frequency between the races. Jews and Chinese create viable communities everywhere they move and live, even when they are poor.