Do you agree with race realism?

How do you define "bigotry and racism?" I have the right to know specifically what I am being accused of.

 

100% absolutely positively.

 

The following diagram demonstrates how important average racial differences are.

 

Prejudice is based on previous experience. Stereotypes are over generalizations of what is really true. There is no stereotype of the lazy, stupid Jew, even among antisemites. There is no stereotype of the fat Chinese woman on welfare with five illegitimate children by five different men, even among those who dislike Orientals.

Liberals like to claim that proximity dispels prejudice. If this was true, the least prejudiced whites in the United States would be Southern whites, and whites who attended black majority public high schools.

 

Rationalization of bigotry and racism is still bigotry and racism.
End of story.

If you judge one person by the actions of another, or a thousand others - you are being bigoted against that one person. You have discounted the individual.

 

Bullshit. Prejudice is just what the word says. It is Pre-judgment, a judgment you come to BEFORE you have any actual experience of the thing you're judging. It is based on stories you've been told by prejudiced people and theirs is based on stories told to them. So they expect it, look for it and find it. The finding causes the thing in its turn. Self-fulfilling prophecy on top of Self-fulfilling prophecy. You create the delusion and then live in it.

I could go into detail about what stereotype you probably fit, but the mods would ding me for being insulting

 

I try to evaluate people of various races on their individual merits. One of the best friends I have ever had in my life was a black college professor. I am not telling you that to prove that I am not a racist. I do not care if you think I am a racist or not.

I am not always able to evaluate others on individual merits. I have learned to take precautions with young black men I do not know unless they are obviously dressed for work or church. I have not learned to take these precautions with young men of other races, because they have not been necessary. Jesse Jackson feels the same way I do about young black men, as you can see from this quote.

 

Then why do you support racial profiling? It's exactly the same principle, just applied in a different context.

I think you're underestimating the impact of constant life-long dismissal of your value as a human being.

 

They should have invented a cotton picker, they had one after the ACW

However, the main purpose of slavery was to keep the poor whites in line. No matter how lowly he may have been driven to by the Planters he was still not a slave, and so was satisfied with his lot. Later on, Jim Crow served the same purpose but it was over the whole country, not just the South. The idea was that blacks were a permanent underclass

Read John C. Calhoun's famous speech, "Slavery As A Positive Good" It actually hints at Slavery's real purpose though I don't think that 's the one that actually comes out and delineates it.

 

Say that again! Louder this time!

 

I simply cannot quote this enough.

“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
Eleanor Roosevelt

If the locus of one’s value is external to oneself, then of course one cannot count on sustainable positive self image.

 

Young black men are more likely than young white men to be carrying weapons illegally, and stolen contraband. Therefore it makes sense to frequently stop and frisk them. I have been stopped and frisked by the police a few times. I did not get all puffed up about my so called "rights" and all that nonsense. I had not been doing anything wrong, so I had nothing to fear. I let them examine what I was carrying with me. I moved slowly, and kept my hands in sight. They looked at my driver's license and found that there were no warrants out for my arrest. I spoke respectfully. There was no problem.

Are you suggesting that young black men are more prone than young white men to commit a lot of crimes because people tell them they are dangerous? I think it is the other way around.

A number of years ago I had a casual friend who was a restaurateur. Sometimes he would rent his restaurant to a group for a party. Once he told me that if the law did not require him to rent to black groups he would not do it. This was not because of "ignorant prejudice." It was because he had problems with black groups that he did not have with whites, Orientals, and Hispanics. Blacks were rude to the wait staff. They tipped little if at all. They pilfered plates and eating utensils. Once a fight broke out and he had to call the police.

My sister spent one summer as a waitress. She told me about the same experiences. No, I do not think whites are responsible for the fact that so many blacks are that way.

When one does not have time to evaluate the individual merits of a young black man one does not know, and especially a group of young black men one does not know, it is usually the safest policy to assume the worst and act on it.

 

No, it's a good example of something very similar being seen as something very similar. If it looks like a Nazi, smells like a Nazi and stands up and shouts "Heil Hitler" when a Swastika goes by it's a good chance it's probably not got B'nai B'rith on it's Hanukka list.

What is the major difference between "race realism" and Naziism? You don't go into that, I note.

You need to read up on what Godwin himself said about the misinterpretation of his "law". It's not meant to be a blanket defense of Nazis.

 

Before the civil rights legislation was passed into law Orientals in the South were often treated like "honorary whites" because they behaved and performed at least as well as whites.

 

The major difference between race realism and Nazism is that race realists acknowledge that Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent race in existence. We know that the Ashkenazim do not have genetic inclinations toward evil; they have genetic inclinations toward superior intelligence. Antisemites like to blame "the Jews" for Communism in the Soviet Union. When I told an antisemite that no dictator of the Soviet Union was Jewish, he told me that one of Vladimir Lenin's grandfathers was Jewish. That is the way neo Nazis think; it is not the way race realists think.

 

“Race Realism” is just an attempt to sugar-coat racism and bigotry with a more modern topping, but it’s still the same old bull crap that Nazism and the KKK were founded on - genetic superiority. It’s how insecure people try to justify their existence- by creating sub-groups they convince themselves are inferior.

God’s, I keep hoping this crap has gone the way of the Dodo bird, but up crops “White Nationalism” and now this “race realism” bull ****. It’s all so pathetic.

 

In the vast majority of cases, it was a lot more than just telling. It was beating and often killing if they tried to be or do anything that might compete with whites. This is where lots of lynching came from, blacks being "uppity" At the least, it could involve arrest and incarceration

No offense intended but you really didn't realize that was the case? It's not been that way for a while, but only a little one and could this be why you seem to think blacks are violent and criminal? Do you really believe the stats that go back decades and were "compiled" by people who truly hated blacks and wanted to keep them down any way they could?

 

Ashkenazim are generally the first people to tell you they're no more genetically intelligent than anyone else. Ashkenazim families value education above almost everything and unreservedly reward intelligence in their children, of course they appear smart to people who value sports very highly and mock intelligence as a cultural thing (whites) or came from a background where appearing intelligent could get you lynched years ago (blacks)

Again without intending offense, are you really this unaware of how much culture and history affects people rather than genetics?

 

Size ain’t everything.

 

You're missing my primary point here, which was about the contradiction between your two positions. You're saying that black people (or at least young black men) are statistically more likely to commit crime and so justify discrimination against them in the form of racial profiling by law enforcement. But you also say that black people are statistically less likely to be intelligent but you explicitly resist discrimination against them in education or employment, in would effectively be racial profiling there too. I don't see how you can morally justify one while specifically objecting to the other.

No, I'm saying anyone who is constantly told they're useless, destined to fail or fundamentally flawed is much less likely to succeed in life and therefore more likely to fall in to crime and so if that is said about an entire racial group across many generations, it could inevitably be one factor in disproportionate criminality.

There will be lots of other factors too. Poverty is a proven one and black people are disproportionately poor in the US. A poor white person will be more likely to be drawn in to crime than a wealthy black person (or at least the kind of crime we're focusing on here, which is a whole separate issue ). The poverty aspect will be influenced by institutional and general social discrimination too of course. The fact you mention young men reflects another relevant factor, with age and gender being at least as relevant in the kind of crimes we're talking about too, yet there is some much less focus on those aspects, by law enforcement, research or public attitudes. I've no doubt cultural facts play a role too, but culture isn't explicitly tied to any racial grouping and isn't unchangeable.

It is perfectly possible that there are genetic factors involved here too but I'd question where there is anything like enough evidence to suggest it is a significant one, let alone that it is the sole or primary factor that should receive all of the attention and focus as has long been the case in the US (and to a lesser extent, elsewhere).

As it happens, I've heard pretty much exactly the same statements by people here in the UK about Eastern European immigrants. How do you explain that if it's all down to racial genetics?

Or an individual American, given all of the division, racism and violence being perpetrated by your nationality?

 

Bullshit, Tell that to the Klansman in Texas who conflicted with Vietnamese refugee fishermen in the 70's until now.

 

Really? The followers of Lewis Farrakhan are about the most well-dressed black men you are likely to come across.

 

And if people beat you, jail you and lynch you every time you manage to put new curtains on your shanty you pretty soon learn to just keep your head down and survive. Tulsa was over a century ago that's true, but the memory of burning down a whole city because its inhabitants were becoming prosperous is not something that goes away quickly

 

Race realism can be suppressed. It cannot be disproved because it provides credible explanations for the failures of liberal reforms regarding race relations. Race is an area where the more one ignores scientific evidence, the more enlightened one is said to be.

Race realism provides credible genetic explanations for the following facts.

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3,022 of whom were African American) which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-27. Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.
http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/art_rush.html

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Late last year, the final data for 2018 were published here (the key is Table 9 on page 25), and here’s what we learn: For all racial and ethnic groups combined, 39.6 percent of births in the United States were out-of-wedlock (incidentally, isn’t that appalling?). And there was as always a tremendous range among groups. For blacks, the number is 69.4 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, 68.2 percent (Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders were at 50.4 percent); for Hispanics, 51.8 percent; for whites, 28.2 percent; and for Asian Americans, a paltry 11.7 percent.
https://www.ceousa.org/issues/1354-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women

These facts persist despite the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty, which were supposed to close racial gaps in average intelligence, as well as criminal and sexual behavior. Genes largely determine intelligence, so intelligence is not very flexible. Genes influence criminals and sexual behavior, which are more flexible. When crime rates are low blacks have higher rates of crime. When crime rates are high, blacks still have higher rates of crime. The same can be said of illegitimacy.

 

After the crushing of the The Bar Kokhba revolt in 136 AD Jews faced nearly two thousand years of persecution and discrimination. This culminated in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, today Jews tend to be well educated and prosperous. They have won one fourth of Nobel Prizes. They dominate every field in the United States that requires superior intelligence.

If blacks wanted just to keep their heads down and survive, why do they have a rate of violent crime that is nearly eight times the white rate, and an illegitimacy that is over twice the white rate? Those average characteristics draw attention to them.

If white racism is the reason for black social pathology, why have black rates of crime and illegitimacy risen since the civil rights legislation was passed into law and the War on Poverty begun? Why has black academic performance improved very little despite efforts like Head Start and No Child Left Behind?

If black lives matter, why do so many black men kill other blacks? Why do so few black men marry the mothers of their children and raise those children properly.

These may sound like rhetorical questions. Nevertheless, the honest answers are consistent with arguments presented against the civil rights movement at the time.