Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

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    They are not likely to be guilty of violent street crime. That is my concern.
     
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    I am not saying that persecution against Orientals has never happened. I will point out that despite it, Orientals tend to be more intelligent than white Gentiles and to have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. This is why they tend to be better educated than white Gentiles and to make better incomes.
     
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    Excuses. Excuses. When I was a child, a teenager, and a young adult I made excuses for blacks. When I got older I got tired of making excuses for them. Now I am tired of hearing them.

    If white racism is responsible for black social pathology, why have black rates of crime and illegitimacy risen since the civil rights legislation was signed and the War on Poverty begun? I keep asking that question and getting no answers.
     
  4. Conservative Democrat

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    Antisemitism is not motivated by the belief that Jews are inferior. It is motivated by the knowledge that Jews are superior. Because Jews are aware of this, they do not brag about their genetic superiority.

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    During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

    Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

    "The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]

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    [1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.
    [2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1636

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    Chinese and Jews create viable communities everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are discriminated against and poor. Those facts have genetic explanations.
     
  5. Conservative Democrat

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    Alibis for black dysfunction are no longer justified. The mainstream media goes to considerable lengths to avoid drawing attention to high black crime rates. Insufficient attention is given to the facts that blacks tend to perform poorly on all the mental aptitude tests, however they are designed, and in the class room.

    You still have not explained why black social pathology has gotten worse since the civil rights legislation was signed and the War on Poverty begun.
     
  6. Daniel Light

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    Rationalizing bigotry and racism is still bigotry and racism.

    I could rationalize fear of white males by saying that statistically white males have starred the most violent wars, been more involved in mass school shootings and are far more likely to be involved in financial securities fraud than any other individuals - but that would be a bigoted look at the group since when you break it down to individuals there is little chance of these actions.
     
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    You realize that when you say “high black crime rates” you are talking about judging the 80% of black American Citizens who have never been convicted of a crime on the actions of the other 20%, right? You realize that such judgments are the very foundations of bigotry and racism, right?

    Rationalizing bigotry and racism is still bigotry and racism.
     
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    Not excuses, reasons. Several of them clearly explained that you've clearly no interest in discussing. And you conveniently ignored my primary comment about your inconsistency. It's becoming clear that you never wanted any kind of discussion, you're just asserting your opinion.

    Well I never said anything about "white racism" but I did refer to a range of factors that could influence crime rates within different groups. I'm not convinced any of those factors have significantly changed in practice over the period you're talking about.

    And what about the age and gender factors. Since young males, even just males in general, commit a disproportionate proportion of violent crime and you could certainly attribute that to genetic factors, why aren't you targeting all men with the same "realism" are you are all black people?
     
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    Young white men are vastly less likely to be criminals than young black men. Jesse Jackson agrees with me. I have already posted this. Read it this time.

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    The Sentencing Project, October 10, 2017

    In “Growth in the U.S. Ex-Felon and Ex-Prisoner Population, 1948 to 2010,” Sarah Shannon and colleagues estimate that one-third of black men had a felony conviction in 2010—a significant increase over the past 30 years and far above the rate for white men.
    https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/
     
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    Bigotry and racism are natural results of knowing about black low IQ averages and high rates of black crime and illegitimacy. White racism does not cause black social pathology. Black social pathology causes white racism, and Oriental and Hispanic racism for that matter. For economic reasons immigrants frequently need to live in and near black neighborhoods. They do not like what they see. They do not feel guilty about it.
     
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    Yes, but it is also true that young people and more likely to be criminals than old people and men are more likely to be criminals than women. So why don't your principles extent to all young people and all men in the same way the do to all black people?

    And as for the Jesse Jackson quote, you're not proposing to do anything about the problem as he is, you're just dismissing black people as irreparably criminal due to their genetics.
     
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    You realize your numbers include the black males convicted under Jim Crow Laws and millions of black Americans convicted of
    pot possession.

    But it wouldn't matter, using a small percentage of a group to slander the rest of the group is still bigotry.
    It would be like stating that most mass school shooting are perpetrated by white males, therefor white males should
    be kept away from schools. Or that most securities fraud is committed by white males, therefor white males should not
    be allowed on the floor of the NY Stock Exchange.

    Rationalizing bigotry and racism is still bigotry and racism. End of story.
     
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    Sounds like you are making excuses for bigotry and racism.
     
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    Are there no other factors?
     
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    That's actually happened already. I saw it in a Star Trek movie.
     
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    What conclusion are we drawing from this correlation?
     
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    Mice are from Hitchhiker's Guide
     
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    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. You originally said:
    The implication here is that evolution has left Blacks behind. But later you said:

    Why point out a correlation unless the intention is to show it as a causal link? The suggestions being made here are that race, which is described as biological and therefore genetic, is a determiner of intelligence, and Blacks have not adapted to modern civilization's requirements.

    Are you suggesting that Blacks have some cultural issues or are simply biologically incapable of raising IQs to the 100 level?

    Let's clear this up--Do you believe intelligence is genetic?
     
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    Not in a strict study based only on cranial capacity as it relates to IQ. No other non genetic factors were applicable.
     
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    Ha! Yeah. That one slipped past me.
     
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    In that case, the best we can do is call it a post hoc fallacy. I won't deny that the size of the skull isn't a factor, but it's limited to a correlation, and that's not proof. Even in combination with another factor, it's still just a correlation until we can rule out all the other relevant factors.
     
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    Of course its not proof - its a correlation, a strong one. Cranial capacity (and it is dependent on the size of the organism relative to their organisms cranial capacity) is the best way to determine intelligence across a number of different species. The reason humans in general are on the top of the food chain is because based on our average physical size we have a brain that is 7 times larger than it should be compared to the average mammal. The different races of homo sapiens ARE different in their cranial capacity and physical attributes. That is a fact undisputed by science.
     
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    Elephants have about 3 times the brain of a human. Sperm whale brains are about 5 times larger. How does that correlate to intelligence?
     
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    They are the smartest members of the animal kingdom. What is it you are actually trying to say here? Quit beating around the bush and say it. Are you actually arguing against accepted scientific facts?
     
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