Has Biden forgotten that he was vaccinated in DECEMBER?

My point was that Biden called out a specific group in a single sentence just like Trump did.

The reporter asked a questioned about Antifa and Joe answered it. Did Biden answer the question by focusing on the violence that was exclusively from the right? If he answered by saying something along the lines of "yes, but all of the violence is from the right," I would say it's a piss poor answer.

I wasn't against Trump condemning white supremacy. If he does, great. If he doesn't, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I didn't think he had to call anyone out by name. If both sides are being violent, I think it's fair to call out both sides.

How do we know they were the driving force of the unrest? Because they told a bunch of people to gather? That doesn't constitute enabling violence and looting. If the claim is that Antifa is doing the looting and arson, then there should be people with Antifa ties who were arrested for arson and looting right? I think odds are that if you have two opposing groups in a tense and heated situation, it would be nearly impossible to pinpoint who precipitated the violence.

Which event are you referring to that he called them out when they weren't involved? From an ideological view, let's compare Antifa vs. white supremacy. Anti-racists, anti-fascists, anti-neo nazis vs. a group of people who hold that the white race is superior and should dominate society, so if you are going to call out a side, which one is more appropriate.

I can't speak for the media, but I try I provide context to every situation. I don't think I have ever judged Trump on a single sentence while ignoring the rest of his statement. I think that's quite unfair. I also think it's a disservice when posters say the media is unfair to Trump and doesn't provide context, and then simultaneously take a single sentence of Biden out of context. The media is the media. We can't control what they do. But as posters, we can easily practice what we preach.

 

~ Ol´ Joe forgets a lot of things. He has difficulty remembering what he started talking about ! Very sad ...

 

No, that was a totally separate point. You also made this point: "one was a press release nit a news conference. The other was he condemned the KKK in a single sentence and then veered off." And I proved you wrong by posting the two press conferences. Then you said "thanks for proving my point" even though I proved the opposite! You might as well give up on this. You pretty much HAVE given up by referring to a totally separate point!

Even if one side is doing 90% and the other side is doing 10%? And even if one side kills someone as in the case of Charlottesville?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-are-targets-of-multiple-probes-idUSKCN26F3C2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...774b64-cef9-4ecc-9862-a5fce4138a5e_video.html

Why do you suppose people were looting and rioting? For what cause they were protesting?

If you see protestors talking about a white ethno state, would you say that they are protesting in the name of white supremacy, even if they aren't carrying flags with white supremacist symbols?

And there WERE, right?

Do you actually think that right wing groups are interested in protesting police brutality and protesting unarmed black people being killed?

The Rittenhouse incident. Biden specifically called out white supremacists even though they weren't even involved.
So you see how EASY Biden can call out white supremacy! Even when they're not even involved!

Simple question: The violence in response to the George Floyd killing - was it majority left wing violence or majority right wing violence?

Are the Anti-racists, anti-fascists and anti-neo nazis committing violence?

 

Yes you are right. You are just too smart for me. I was reading recently, David Hume’s writings on human understanding. In the end he comes to the conclusion, that it’s is useless to appeal to man’s rationality, as it is the emotions, the passions that drive most people. So, yes, you are so wonderfully smart, how could I ever match your over the top wit. Your clever one-liners.... the intricacy of your thought process must be absolutely mind blowing.

 

Probably not quite as "mind blowing" as the thought process behind the statement, "the violence associated with the Black Lives Matter protests was about civil rights!"

 

You begin by essentially parroting the party line. Is this the narrative that y’all are going to go with, that Joe Biden is old and feeble in mind and body, and that Kamala Harris represents an existential threat to the American way? Most of the country sees the Biden/Harris administration as a return to normalcy. A path forward. However, the conservative narrative, as funny as it is, brings up a rather funny turn of logical events. An old decrepit senile man beat your champion in a fair election. How funny is that? I’ll bet with all those frozen wind turbines in Texas, no one was getting cancer.

I misspelled a couple of non standard names and suddenly you get to pretend superiority. Pretend away.

It is rather laughable that you would claim Colorado Springs was better than Denver, Portland, and Seattle. It was most humorous when you claimed that Denver had become liberal. Don’t know Denver, do you? Ever since the police reforms in the sixties, Denver has been a liberal Democratic stronghold. Ever hear of Pat Schroeder, the long time Representative from the First Congressional District in Colorado? Not as liberal as the Second District tends to be, but not far behind.

Cory Gardner was soundly beaten in the Senate race giving Colorado two Democratic Senators. Four of the seven Representatives are Democratic. The Governor, Treasurer, and Secretary of State are Democrats. Both legislative chambers are in Democratic hands. And the state voted for Joe Biden. Most of the front range is on the liberal side. Do you feel the walls closing in on you? Feel the need to speak harshly of the Democrats and liberals that define the community you live in?

But you must know, it isn’t minorities that make Colorado lean liberal. It is college educated Whites, so get your prejudices right.

 

I don't know Denver? I first moved to Denver in 1977 for some post-graduate academic work necessary for my career, and then came back to the Denver-Colorado Springs 'corridor' permanently in the mid-80's. Do I know Denver...? Do I know Colorado Springs...? . It may be truthful to suggest that I knew both of these very dissimilar metro areas very well, before you were even born....

Beginning in the early-to-mid 1990's we began to experience large in-migrations from hyperliberal pestholes in California and the Upper-Midwest. Weary of being taxed to death to support the growing number of parasites in both of those areas, they flocked to "John Denver country", and that's OK, except that they brought all of their love of 'nanny-state' government with them! 'Once an empty-headed liberal Democrat, ALWAYS an empty-headed liberal Democrat'....

Thus, you are certainly right about one thing -- it isn't some big 'tidal wave' of minorities that have made the Denver area a hyperliberal-infested "woke"-haven. No.... Blacks make up less than 3% of the population of Boulder County, and "Latinos" are only about 14%. This epicenter of hyperliberal Democrats in Colorado has become the way it is because of a thick concentration of America-hating, "woke" WHITE snowflakes in and around the University of Colorado at Boulder. No surprise... and yes, it has been that way for quite a long time.

. "Sure I voted for Biden, 'cuz he's gonna, like, pay for my M.A. degree in Basket-weaving!"

 

See how you are just too clever for me. No matter what I write, you just insert your silly notions, pretend they are mine and then condemn my statements in a way that once again demonstrates your overarching brilliance. I don’t know how you do it, time after time.

 

I spent my childhood on a farm in northeastern Ohio, in Amish country. We moved to unincorporated Adams County, Colorado just before I started high school. When I graduated in 1977, the state of Colorado gave me a scholarship for being one of the top students in Colorado. I attended CU Boulder as a physics major, earning a 4.0 gpa along the way. Except for a four year stint at the rocket factory in Waterton, I spent most of my career in Boulder, working in R&D, mostly doing electronic and electromechanical design. To someone like me, with my particular skills, talents, and interests, working in Boulder was like a child working in a toy store. I have come to Oregon to retire, where the trees are much larger and many times more plentiful.

Colorado has one of the highest concentrations of aerospace, high tech, and creative employment in the country. One of the highest number of startups in the country, with the most STEM based companies. One of the highest concentration of National Labs. Much of that concentrated in Boulder, but also Denver and up through Fort Collins. The engine that drives 3D animation was developed in Boulder, as were hard drives. The pharmaceutical and semiconductor industries use pure water, thanks to the technologies developed in Boulder. The NIST nuclear clock is in Boulder, making Boulder the center of the universe.

Boulder has one of the highest concentration of college educated residents in the country, at 2/3rds, twice the national average. A great deal of them involved in scientific research and technological developments. At around 17%, Boulder is the least religious city in America. Those two statistics are what make Boulder so liberal, what makes it so much better than other places. That and the environmental protections. Is it any wonder that Boulder is a bright blue liberal oasis?

When I came of age, marijuana had just been decriminalized and Richard Lamm was governor. He had rose to prominence by leading the efforts to prevent the 1976 Olympics from coming to Colorado. By the way, Lamm named John Denver the state’s official Poet Laureate. Colorado was represented in DC by such people as Gary Hart, Pat Schroeder, and Tim Wirth, the Senator behind the breakup of AT&T.

During the eighties, during Reagan’s evangelical period, Focus on the Family was founded in Southern California. But by the early nineties the ground below them revolted, opened up large cracks that sucked the Focus on the Family compound back to hell where it came from. Scared by the destruction, and fearful of the devil, they moved their operation to across the highway from the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Soon armies of Christian soldiers poured into Colorado, like it was the new Zion. By 1998 enough had poured in to give Bill Owens the win for the governorship and turned the state red enough to usher in the presidency of George Bush. This was a dark time for Colorado. Not surprisingly, during this same period, California was becoming more and more liberal, as their conservatives moved to Colorado.

By time the end of the Bush years, the majority of Coloradans had had enough of the new Republicanism, and bit by bit have been turning the state more and more blue. During the Obama years, the Republicans did everything they could to make Obama look bad. A big part of that was Republican state legislatures and governors refusing to accept stimulus money, hoping the economy would crash. But that money was out there, some of it approved under Bush. So states like Oregon, Washington, and Colorado took advantage of that pot of gold and helped lift their economies to the top in the country.

In Oregon, it was Republicans who first pushed the all mail-in voting. It was deemed as a way to make it easier for rural people to vote. As time went on the rate of voter participation steadily rose to where it is not uncommon for participation rates to reach 70% or more, twice the national average at times. The result, as voter participation increased, so did the election of Democratic candidates. A similar pattern has arisen in both Washington and Colorado. All mail-in voting led to a greater participation rate and more wins for the Democratic Party.

I used to go to Colorado Springs from time to time, as there was a company where I took my products for UL and CE testing and certification. I had a long time friend who lived nearby. I’d take her out to a nice restaurant, a night out on the town, all on my companies’ dimes. Beings as they always gave me generous traveling expenses.

 

"Pretend" they are yours? Except I quoted you directly!

 

Jamaican Voodoo Queen? Stay classy.

 

But isn't it true though that he condemned a particular group in a single sentence like Biden did? So he said two sentences in two press conferences? It's not really something to get all high and mighty about.

Is it really mostly the left wing doing the violence though. Here is a quote from the article you posted:

I don't have numbers to back it up, but I feel like the media and Trump focused way more on Antifa despite what the DHS deputy said.

People were looting and rioting because they want free crap. Certainly there were people who took advantage of the lack of law enforcement. No argument here.

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence

With the way Trump was talking about labeling Antifa as a terrorist group, I was expecting hundreds of people arrested to have ties to Antifa. So the claim is that Antifa is doing the looting and arson, but in court documents and subsequent investigations, why have authorities found very few with actual ties to Antifa?

No. I think they were there to counterprotest. It's been very common these past few years for one side to show up just to drown out the message of the other side.

I'm not aware of Biden specifically blaming white supremacists for the Kenosha violence. I know that he used a video of the debate of Chris Wallace asking Trump about white supremacy in Kenosha. Is this what you are referring to?

It's not such a simple question because we have groups trying to infiltrate the other and disguise themselves as members to incite violence.

George Floyd protests: 'Boogaloo' member held in precinct
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claim
attack

I think it's too simplistic to say because well the protests were for a left wing movement, so the majority of violence is from the left.

 

Single sentence, or single WORD from Biden's so called 'condemnation' of antifa?

Unlike Biden on antifa, Trump convincingly condemned white supremacy BY NAME, and it was more than just a simple, I condemn white supremacy. He went into some details about what the ideology was about. If you're honest, you would say that there is no comparison between Trump and Biden on condemning the extreme ideologies on their own side - left and right.

That is in reference to the white supremacist attacks/shootings from the past few years. It was NOT in reference to the BLM protests and riots. The far right is obviously the biggest terror threat in the US after being responsible for the most attacks.

There you go again saying "the media" as if the entire media is right wing! Do you mean specifically right wing media?

So the rioting and looting had absolutely nothing to do with protesting police killing black people? You may want to ask yourself why the BLM national leadership didn't ONCE condemn the rioting and looting.

TIES to antifa? As in a member of an antifa group?

Also, you dodged this question from my last post: If you see protestors talking about a white ethno state, would you say that they are protesting in the name of white supremacy, even if they aren't carrying flags with white supremacist symbols?

And how many times did the right wing counterprotest during the BLM protests? And were they violent?

1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsR8FDyofs&t=173s

2: Kyle appearing at 0:13 seconds: https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311268302950260737?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1311268302950260737|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://nationalpost.com/news/world/kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-suing-joe-biden-over-white-supremacist-video

Well that too. Because Wallace is a BLITHERING idiot, he mentioned white supremacy in relation to Kenosha and Portand, apparently assuming that Rittenhouse (Kenosha) and Patriot Prayer (Portland) were a bunch of white supremacists.

 

So, one guy?

So if it's not "antifa" violence, then it's not left wing violence? Also, this story was following the FIRST protest after the Floyd death. My above sources which reference subsequent antifa involvement supersede this one.

Also, were the January 6 rioters left wing or right wing?

Why the hell would the right wing protest for a left wing cause?

 

You and I have remarkably similar memories of that time, and not totally dissimilar opinions of them as well.

In all, you appear to be a very honest, forthright liberal, through-and-through... the "genuine article". I think I'm right in saying so, because at one time, I was one, too! Honestly! Back in Texas when I was a boy in the 1960's, the only Republicans you found were those in well-to-do enclaves in the larger cities. I was a born, bred, no-fooling product of a Texas Democrat Party culture, but by 1970, Lyndon Johnson had changed my personal political opinions considerably, especially after doing the 'hup-two, three-four' routine during Vietnam Era.... Then, when that idiocy was over with, I was worked full-time and earned a B.S. degree (honors) at the Univ. of Texas at Austin. Decades of often difficult, but very successful work followed, and now I'm retired, too. Enough about me.

Hey... we'll never agree on much of anything, but I respect your achievements, and I'm sure you've put your heart and soul in working for your success and standing up for what you believe is right. So, now, back to the never-ending but interesting 'trench warfare'!

 

It's a shame to see you using boilerplate insults to describe people w/ informed opinions that don't coincide with yours. A group to which I belong having migrated to CO from MA after being raised in a Repub household in the NE corner of the state. I'm always baffled by the accusation from conservatives that because we likely disagree about everything it makes me a hater of America. One can recognize our many faults and still love the country.

 

The hyperliberal, radical Left prides itself on being 'woke' and fully-animated toward tearing up and destroying many cherished institutions, and rights we have enjoyed as free, independent American citizens.

The radical Left is committed to taking away our right to defend ourselves and property with firearms, they dream up endless government give-away, welfare programs designed to reward slackers for laziness and indolence -- and they advocate heavier taxation on those who work for a living to pay for those who refuse to do the same.

The radical Left wants to throw open our borders to bring in millions more essentially worthless, useless foreign peasants so that they can be converted into voting Americans who will loyally support the liberal Democrat Welfare State that enabled their inclusion here.

These radicals support the concept of entering into 'agreements' that promote appeasement and tacit approval of truly dangerous countries whose governments subscribe to the domination or elimination of "infidels" on the basis of religious persecution... Iran comes immediately to mind. And these reckless American hyperliberals give their de facto approval of the idea for such countries being able to threaten the world with thermonuclear hydrogen weapons, and the ICBM's to deliver them anywhere in the world.

I could easily go on and on, but even stopping right there, Lee, do you see anything about any of THAT which reflects a love for the American way of life that made the United States the most free, independent, prosperous nation on Earth?

On the contrary -- they would destroy our Constitution, our economy, our history, our culture, our very identities -- and churn us into a big internationalist mish-mash of 'neo-socialism', and ad hoc, 'woke', revised concepts of even simple, basic things like scientific reality and human sexuality.

So, yes, those who espouse those views and behaviors truly must HATE the America that Americans have cherished and fought for from the time of our foundation as a nation... and that's why I deem them "America-hating"....

 

Why such a focus on Biden condemning Antifa? As you said, they are not the bigger threat. They are not ardent supporters of Biden. In fact, it's not uncommon for them to chant "f*ck Biden" at protests. Would you hear "f*ck Trump" at a white supremacist rally? The feeling among many are that the KKK and white supremacist are committing these heinous acts in support of Trump, and in Trump's defense he did call them out, but that's why people felt Trump was obligated to denounce them.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1352123688418611202?lang=en

I'm referring to the MSM, specifically Fox News considering they are the #1 watched cable new channels for over 2 decades.

Well, BLM is very decentralized. They operate in what is known as chapters throughout cities. There is really no central leadership and essentially the chapters run themselves as long as they subscribe to the core guidelines and principles. As far as I know, many local BLM organizers have condemned the violence at BLM protests, so I would think they had the support of BLM national to condemn violence.

Yes

I would, because supporting an ethnic cleaning or ethno state is exclusive to that particular wing. If you are trying to say that protestors who attended George Floyd protests are all supporters of Antifa or BLM, you would be incorrect because protesting police brutality is not exclusive to the left wing, unless of course you are saying the right wing approves of police misconduct. The protestors at George Floyd rallies weren't chanting to overthrow the government and install anarchy or to kill republicans.

I don't know how many times, but here are a few examples:

Hundreds of armed counter-protesters confront Black Lives Matter rally in Ohio

A Weatherford, Texas Protest Turned Violent

https://twitter.com/BudKennedy/status/1287213402549555201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1287213402549555201%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.star-telegram.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Farticle244506187.html

I understand there are bad eggs on both sides. I also think it's stupid when BLM blocks traffic and don't condone them in any way. I'm only dispelling this myth that only one side is doing the provoking.

Here is what Biden said in the youtube video:

So it doesn't seem to me like he is blaming Kenosha on white supremacy, but he is blaming Charlotesville on white supremacy. Biden even acknowledged he didn't know enough about Rittenhouse and the incident.

The twitter video shows Chris Wallace making the assumption that Kenosha was the result of white supremacy violence. Biden used that portion of the argument as a political medium to show that Trump didn't call out white supremacy in a national debate, not that it caused the violence in Kenosha.

 

We know that they do infiltrate and try to provoke.
Twitter has shut down multiple accounts that it says were operated by a white supremacist group posing as liberal groups encouraging violence.

Why does your story supersede mine? Your story only mentions that the FBI is looking into antifa. An investigation is not an indictment until anything is proven. We cannot presume they are guilty based solely on the announcement of an investigation.

I would say they were mostly right wing as the protest was being held by Trump and many were carrying Trump flags, wearing MAGA hates. But I'm sure there was some left wing presence, but very minimal.

Counter protest can be one. Is condemning police brutality exclusive to the left wing, as in that same idea is not embraced by the right wing?

 

Actually, I don't see anything that corresponds to reality. You present yourself as an intelligent, accomplished person. How did you come to so completely rely on right wing caricatures of who liberals are and what they believe?

 

Are you still having problems understanding the difference between marching for civil rights and an attempted insurrection?

 

In my Post #192, I went into some detail about what troubles me so much about the radical Left. If any of that is fundamentally untrue, or merely a 'caricature', please tell me.

In my youth, I used to BE a fairly 'far-Left' liberal, believe it or not -- growing up in what was then the solidly Democrat Party stronghold of Texas (almost no Republicans anywhere outside a few cushy suburbs in the big cities). But, more education, many years of living in the 'real' world, and lots of practical working-life experience resulted in my becoming a fairly right-wing Conservative instead.

I could still yearn in a childish way for "Utopia", where nobody has to work, where nothing 'difficult' is demanded of anyone by anyone else, where everyone is happy, prosperous, healthy, and never subjected to unpleasantness or injustice. Maybe, at some point in the FAR-distant future, people may live in a world like that. But, believe me, that time is not (NOT) now!

 

MARCHING for Civil Rights is FINE! However, that's not what you said. You said "VIOLENCE!" Your post again: "The violence associated with the Black Lives Matter protests was about civil rights."

 

Sure, but that doesn't mean that it was majority right wing violence.

Sure. Just like the investigations into right wing people.

Oh, because left wing radicals cannot pose as a Trump supporter? But right wing radicals CAN pose as antifa?

Condemning police brutality, or condemning anti-black police brutality in the name of 'BLM?'

 

Sure, but does that mean that every day, politicians should condemn whatever the biggest threat is? And if there is an attack from that threat, they should not do any EXTRA condemnation to any other day? Or should politicians take a 'situation' approach, and respond to what is happening at any given time? If you think that right wing violence was the most significant violence last year, then you're insane. Well, either that or you've been watching WAY too much CNN! CNN, where host Chris Cuomo OPENLY supported the post-Floyd violence!

The FEELING? People's STUPID, misled FEELINGS? Are you serious?

The feeling that Trump had support in the white supremacist movement would be a completely justified feeling, as it would be based in fact. But as usual, the left has to stretch it out too far, by saying that they are committing these heinous acts in service to Trump!

It's also worth mentioning, that the most high profile white supremacist in the country, Richard Spencer, not only HATES Trump, but voted for Biden!

If the President for the past four years had been another Republican, with ZERO public support from white supremacists,
do you seriously believe that people would have felt that the President was NOT obligated to denounce them?

Well Fox News is the ONLY right wing company in the entire MSM! So what other MSM companies you talking about?

So you DO acknowledge that there is BLM national leadership?

And what makes you think that "many local BLM organizers have condemned the violence at BLM protests?

But I thought that antifa was just as ideology.

You're right. I screwed that up. I'll try again: If you see protestors protesting the outcome of the 2020 election, would you say that they are Trump supporters/Republicans?

If they were, are you saying that this would make them right wing?

Invalid example. Nothing illegal or violence about this. Provocative and a recipe for disaster? Yes.

Valid example.

It's not about who is "provoking", it's about who STARTED the violence. It's about who is the more
dominant force behind it. By "provoking", you mean counter protestors who arrive after the protest/riot has started, right?

So you're saying that the subject of 'Rittenhouse' didn't lead Biden onto the subject of white supremacy? If he was talking about gay rights, do you suppose he would have been led just as easily to the subject of white supremacy? Can you think of some sort of logical connection to Rittenhouse and white supremacy? It's clear that doddering old stupid, almost senile Joe, thinks that Rittenhouse is a white supremacist. He doesn't have the brain power to do his own research.

You didn't see Rittenhouse appear in the video?