How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back? - <MOD WARNING>

the fair decision is the 1967 borders.

but they can agree to small land swaps.

 

Right... A tiny Jewish state established by the UN of all organizations is colonialism. Duh and you must be che Guevara, no less. Grow up, your empty slogans are absurd.

 

an-ti-Sem-i-tism

1. discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/anti-semitism

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so then should we allow Germany to take back the land that was taken from them after WW2

 

Israel's creation clearly rivals stereotypical colonialism.

 

The Western borders of Poland rival that of the 10th century Piast Dynasty of Poland.

Germans came into these lands with hostility.

Look at how Germans came to the Polish city of Gdansk, they were invited in as friends of Poland, and went onto burn Gdansk to the ground, killed up to 10,000 Polish in the Gdansk Massacre, and promptly bought in German settlers in the early 14th century.

 

Support for Jews before Americans, huh?

But, to tell you the truth America's creation isn't far different than Israel's creation.

 

Whoa there - slow down. I never wrote that Palestinians want peace with Israel, that is, unconditionally - because peace with Israel means doing nothing while being robbed. It is submission without promises of peace, and neither Palestinians nor other people like that.

What I did wrote, is that Palestinians have damn good reasons to hate zionists. No need to look further than what's happening everyday in land theft, humiliations, demolitions, fences etc. Blaming education is suggesting that this anger is artificial. It is not. It is quite real.

You evaded my question once more.

 

Perhaps....but the Arabs don't agree to the 1967 borders. They did not in 1967, they don't today. They want 1946 borders with no jews inside from the river to the sea. They, just like their western supporters on this site don't even try to hide their real long term goals - no Israel on the map.

 

Jews should have their own homeland in Birobidzhan / Jewish Autonomous Oblast.

I don't think anyone would really lose their land, or be offended by that.

 

More Hasbara simplicism. The Arabs have been disarmed a few years prior to the creation of Israel. What counter-attacked Israel in May 1948 were little more than bronze age warbands. More bravery to them, because they were right to attack; no people on Earth should stand still while such an injustice is done to them. What if, for exemple China decided to give California to Mexico without consulting the Californians themselves - but wait, there's more; what if the said Mexicans wanted that same California but without the non-latino Californians that live on it? I doubt the Americans would be so Kumbaya about it, you see.

I'll tell you what just happened; You check it out, fast, and just as fast realized that what you wrote had no relation with reality. So now you think I will simply let you attempt a graceful exit, without bruising you too much. Ain't that right?

 

Thanks for confirming my previous post. As I responded to Ron, the Palestinians, the Arabs and the western Israel hate mob are not ready for any peaceful solution, based on 1967 or any other borders. Too bad the Palestinians will keep paying a heavy price for their own hatred and intransigence and the idiocy of their western supporters.

 

Oh okay, we're just suppose to take colonialism lightly because the Jews are doing it.

I don't understand why Westerners would support Israel over Palestine to tell you the truth.

Israel plotted terrorism against the U.S.A, and Britain in the Lavon Affair.

I can't recall when Palestinians did such to the U.S.A, or Britain?

But, let's support 16 million or so Jews, while pissing off 1.6 billion or so Muslims, as if that makes sense.

 

I think your confused, that Israel was not the same Israel.....

that is the problem with naming new cities after religious cities in the bible, some get confused

I will agree, neither has "superior rights" though

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We should not renounce to the destruction of Israel, for the destruction of ethnocentric, militaristic, expending and apatrtheist regimes is a good thing, It was a good thing with Nazi Germany, and it was a good thing with apartheist South Africa. Western civilisation must police itself, and Israel's clearly giving us a bad name.

I have no problems with a Jewish state in the levant, but I do have a problem with the way it is established, and in whose's name.

 

That the US, Canada, Australia etc were colonized by European invaders who stole the land and massacred the natives is hardly debateable. When did you say you are going back to France?

That the partition - two states for two peoples was more than fair can hardly be debated either. That the arabs could live on the Arab side of the partition or in any one of the existing 22 arab countries or stay as loyal citizens in democratic Israel retaining all their property rights and enjoying freedoms and liberties unheard of in the Muslim world was also more than fair. They chose not to, they chose wars over compromise. That they had their a#ses handed to them was also more than fair.

 

Of course you don't understand, no surprises there. You don't understand the concept of "colonialism" even though you are bleating about it non-stop. The UN partition of Palestine into two states for two peoples residing in the land is anything, colonialism it is not. Now perhaps you understand.

 

Just proof of Westerners collaborating with Jews to have Jews colonize Israel.

 

If it's so easy, why do you have such a hard time finding sources? What, you lazy? Find me proof of French colonist invasions and genocide in North America. Fetch, Borat - Fetch.

I think we have established that this is Hasbara hogwash, Borat. Ask the former people of Deir Yassin.

 

Indeed, and Israel was colonized by Jewish invaders who stole the land, and massacred the Palestinians.

 

I am sorry, what part of "this was not your land, it belonged to the natives, the European invaders stole it and massacred the majority of the natives" do you dispute?

Your inability to dispute the fairness of two states for two peoples solution is on record now. So are your efforts to justify the attempted genocide of the Jews.

 

Ashkenazi Jews, and Sephardi Jews who dominate Israel aren't pure Semitic Jews, they're actually about half European, their autosomal DNA results are more like Greeks, and Southern Italians.

The irony is Mizrahi Jewish autosomal DNA results are much closer to Palestinians, than to Ashkenazi Jews, or Sephardi Jews.

Of course, Mizrahi Jews are the Jews who never left the Mid-East.

 

It's called partition my boring slogan-spewing friend, UN Partition resolution, not colonization.

 

I suppose the Partitions of Poland wasn't colonialism either?

Israel clearly was colonized, and ethnically cleansed the Palestinians.

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Deir Yassin Massacre rivals Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Nakba rivals the Trail of Tears.

What the U.S.A did to Native Americans, rivals what Israel did to Palestinians.

 

What 2 state solution?

Palestinians officially have no nation.

 

There was no partition of Poland, it was invaded by foreign armies and annexed, not partitioned by the League of Nations, not colonized either.
There were hundreds of massacres of Palestinian Jews by Palestinian arabs, going back to the early 1920s, they continue to this day
The Europeans invaded North America where they did not belong, stole the land and exterminated the natives. Jews returned back to their own land legally according to the law of the land at the time and the land was partitioned by the will of the world as expressed in the UN resolution.

Of course they don't, the Arabs rejected the partition which was the only sensible compromise given the circumstances, resorted to terror and declared a war on Israel. These kinds of actions tend to end pretty badly. They still don't want to coexist even today so they have only themselves to blame.