Is Fauci the Patron Saint of health or the Antichrist of a worldwide plague?

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Good for you, but I prefer to believe scientists and not scoundrels like Gates, Fauci & Co.
    By the way.
    Most of antivaxxer scientists say the problems with mRNA 'vaccines' will take place 2 or 3 years later, also we have still a little bit time to wait
     
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    There's no such thing as an "antivaxxer scientist." If you are anti vaccine, then you aren't scientist. Period. And Fauci is one of the top scientists in the nation, if not the world. And mRNA vaccines are vaccines, not "vaccines."
     
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    In July Fauci claimed homemade and cloth masks were just as good as medical masks. He insinuated this claim was evidence based.
    Yet he was still urging Americans to not buy N95 and equivalent masks so they would be available to healthcare workers.

    Are you aware of any empirical evidence in existence in July 2020 to back that claim?
     
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    I never heard him claim that they are "just as good" unless you are just talking about being relatively as good when also distancing, etc. Yes, we should have continued reserving N95 masks for healthcare workers, for obvious reasons.
     
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    I advise you to put in duckduckgo.com 'Dr. Carrie Mades' and 'Professor Doloress Gahill ' and to read their statements about mRNA 'vaccines'
    Anyone will die because them destroy the immune system completely.
    By the way why mRNA 'vaccines' didn't received approvals before 2020?
    Because all test animals ( more as 20,000 ) died very quick, there were no one survivor.

    Dr. Carrie Madej – An Urgent Wake-Up Call About New COVID-19 Vaccine

    https://visionlaunch.com/dr-carrie-madej-an-urgent-wake-up-call-about-new-covid-19-vaccine/

    Professor Dolores Cahill: People Will Start Dying After COVID Vaccine

    https://principia-scientific.com/pr...-people-will-start-dying-after-covid-vaccine/
     
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    LOL
    Never trust Dr Fauci
     
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    Well I like people to be well informed so here’s an exchange between Nora O’Donnell and Fauci in an interview in July.
    If homemade masks are as good as medical masks why save medical masks for healthcare workers? Why not just slap a homemade cloth mask on them and call it good?

    This is the problem with appeal to authority. You never think critically about statements those you appeal to make. Just like MAGA hat clad folks at a Trump rally—everything is just swallowed whole.

    In your opinion should N95 masks ever be recommended? Do you think the shortage will ever end?
     
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    There's no such thing as an antivaxxer "scientist." They abandoned science when they became antivaxxer. Try trusting real scientist like Fauci and not the snake oil salesmen from your conspiracy theory blogs. But at least your excuse for running away from the challenge is entertaining.
     
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    He's specifically talking about wearing masks around in public, not in a surgery room. Yes, there's a difference.
     
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    I have seen the coverage - and there are some dirty deeds gone down - not every day you have Rand Paul calling the medical officer a Liar - right after testimony - and then proving his claim

    I have also looked at some of the stuff coming out of that consortia of German Doctors which is damning.

    Dirty deeds .. and a cover up - wonder how far up the chain this one goes ?
     
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    Yes! The difference is he didn’t care about you! Still doesn’t. Months ago when domestic N95 masks were piling up in warehouses without buyers he was still telling you to wear a cloth mask. He intentionally dissuaded people from using far superior protection that could have saved hundreds of thousands from sickness and death. After N95 masks were widely available he said it was common sense to double mask but only healthcare workers should use N95 masks. I guess the demographics that follow Trump around like pigs with rings in their nose don’t look so silly when you look at all the folks following Fauci around like pigs with rings in their nose waiting for him to dish up some more slop for them to gobble up. Fauci is a very smart man. Smart enough to fool people into believing these recommendations are based on science. It would be funny if it didn’t kill people.

    Just out of curiosity, was there a lot of SARS-CoV-2 transmission in all the surgery rooms that were not in operation?

    Just out of curiosity, what physical properties of masks change based on if they are in a hospital vs. the grocery store? Or is it the virus that changes based on where it is? Tell us specifically why cloth masks work as well as an N95 at Home Depot but not at a hospital.
     
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    It is far, far more important to have those surgical grade masks in hospitals. Yes, out on the street, cloth masks work just fine, as long as they are fitted properly. His recommendations are definitely based on science. Unlike the conspiracy theorist blogs that Trumpists are following.

    You are able to socially distance in a Home Depot. Hospital workers can't socially distance from patients. You are also much, much more likely to be encountering infected people in a hospital, and then you risk passing the disease to other vulnerable people in the hospital, which you also can't socially distance from. Hence, yes, cloth is sufficient for Home Depot, especially if people ignore Trump's brainfarts and actually wear them.

    Have you ever wondered why staph infections are more common in hospitals than in Home Depot? Can you understand why it is more important for hospital workers to wash their hands than it is for the guy stocking nails at Home Depot to wash their hands? If not, think about it more. If so, then you are starting to understand the answers to your questions.
     
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    Ok. If his recommendations are based on science please provide the empirical evidence that cloth masks are just as good as N95 masks for limiting spread of virus in Home Depot. Please provide the empirical evidence a cloth mask will protect the wearer as well as an N95 mask in Home Depot. Actually, I’ll be generous and you can pick the venue. Provide evidence cloth masks are as good as medical masks in any scenario.
    Remember Fauci was the original anti masker. Trump probably got the idea from Fauci who publicly dismissed masks as an effective mitigation for many weeks after Asian countries were figuring out how to get their citizens N95 equivalent masks to wear in public.

    Essentially your argument is only those at most risk benefit from good masks. The fact hundreds of thousands of Americans were infected while wearing cloth masks that wouldn’t have been infected wearing an N95 is relevant to me, why isn’t it relevant to you?

    If you believe N95 type masks are necessary in hospitals because of the lack of social distancing and increased risk of infection, why have you never wondered why no masks were recommended where you were 6 times more likely to be infected than in public?
    Oh, so you believe SARS-CoV-2 infection rates we observe on Worldometer are driven by transmission in the hospital? Essentially you are arguing limiting transmission outside of hospitals is irrelevant. That’s a strange argument, but original. Problem is it isn’t based on any evidence. I’m not aware of any evidence that transmission in hospitals is driving the pandemic, are you?

    I see your answer is that the general public don’t need the same protection as healthcare workers. I believe plumbers and single mothers and McDonald’s employees deserve the same protection as healthcare workers. Every day these other people are being infected in many cases because their masks are not high enough quality. You prefer it this way. They are just peons to you—who cares if they don’t have better masks. Better masks are available, but people’s lives outside a hospital aren’t worth enough to you to care if they get good advice on masks or not. Sad.

    I’ll be waiting for that empirical evidence showing cloth masks are as good as N95 masks outside the sacred walls of hospitals. :)
     
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    Serious question: do you wear surgical gloves and scrubs and booties everywhere you go? If not, then you understand the difference. I can keep harping on the difference, but I'm not convinced that you don't understand it.

    Can you understand why, even before COVID-19, there were stricter hygiene practices by nurses and surgeons than there were by the guys stocking lumber at Home Depot?
     
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    You are creating strawmen. The question has been where is the evidence cloth masks are just as good as medical grade masks?

    I understand why you want to talk about gloves and staph infections. It’s because the claim cloth masks are as good as medical grade masks is false and in direct denial of empirical evidence.

    You and Fauci have now claimed cloth masks are as good as medical grade masks. Please provide some evidence this is true—in any setting. It should be easy—you claimed the statement the two are equivalent is based on science. Where’s the science?
     
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    Fauci is the High Priest of the Church of The Poisoned Mind.
     
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    You still making BS claims about what Fauci “says” but still provide no actual quotes. This seems to be habit.


    You finish with all sorts of question that anyone can get answered. Who are you directing these fake qu stains too ?
     
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    Whining.....
    Fauci is the boggy man of the right......
     
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    A perfect example of turning black into white and visa versa, since Tucker Carlson is against everything the deep state stands for.

    One has to wonder if saying that Carlson is part of the deep state stems from ignorance, or is part of a deceptive agenda?



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    When everyone will wear a frown.

    For what is 'up', they'll call it 'down'.

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    You have no knowledge of how our present government runs. It's personal gain and greed that establishes whether a person is an expert in their field or not.


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    Got a quote on that ... or is that what an internet blog told you he said.
     
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    I don't recall him saying that but I tend to block him out because he's a liar. He also told us there was no reason to walk around with masks (later admitting he said that so there would be enough for frontline workers). Right before Biden's inauguration he said that it couldn't hurt to wear two masks (people were making fun of Biden for having two on). He's killed his credibility.

    Fauci is a liar and once one recognizes a liar, it's a bit silly to think anything else they say might be truthful and/or accurate.
     
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    LOL. Everything I post on Covid is factual and based on empirical evidence. Of course I have a quote!


    Source interview:
    https://www.instyle.com/news/dr-fauci-says-with-all-due-modesty-i-think-im-pretty-effective

     
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    I do not use internet blogs as sources for information on Covid or any matter of science.
     
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