Is killing an abortion doctor murder or self defense?

Yes, we ALL have selfish reasons for doing things......do you know anyone who is NEVER selfish?

I am PRO-CHOICE and calling Pro-Choicers , Pro-Abortion, is inflammatory and reportable.

Pro-Choice is exactly what it says, FOR CHOICE, not FOR abortions....

 

Let us start with the fallacy that there is anyone on this board who is "pro abortion". Abortion is a complex procedure that if there were effective safe reliable and affordable contraception, would not be needed, I actually find many people on this forum are woefully ignorant of the failure rates for most contraceptives

Secondly, and I have to address this. Assigning a characterisation such as "selfish" to a group of people is a way to demonise them and dismiss them as "no better than they should be"

 

Oh well, that's my opinion. To get an abortion to avoid stretch marks is pretty disgusting IMO. I don't care if you don't like it. That's how I feel.

Oh and also, I do think there are people who most certainly are "pro" abortion.

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Look, abortion is a SERIOUS thing. The reasons for getting one should be good, IMO.

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Are you threatening to report me for expressing my opinions?

 

And how many get abortions to avoid stretch marks??

 

That was what was being discussed and what I was responding to. Stretch marks.

 

Abortion is a serious thing...the reasons for getting one should be the woman's alone....she does not have to pass any "good" or "Unselfish" reason test.

I am NOT threatening you. "Pro-Abortion" is an incorrect and inflammatory term. I don't know, nor have I heard, anyone who wanted more abortions. Yes, there MAY be some whackjob who does but Pro-Choice only means ONE thing.

 

And in case the point flew by - this is what I am contending the number of women getting abortions to prevent stretch marks would be miniscule if any exist

 

Okay, I apologize for that "pro abortion" comment, but it still doesn't change how I feel.

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Maybe so, but it doesn't change my opinion of a person who would get an abortion because she MIGHT get stretch marks. Good Lord! To me, that would be a pretty rotten person.

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Well, another poster was stressing the point of physical changes due to pregnancy and that some women may choose to abort their pregnancy because of such changes, as in stretch marks.

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Of course, abortion should be a LAST resort option, IMO. It's a shame more people aren't more responsible when it comes to sex.

 

It's a shame people aren't more responsible about a lot of things but people are people and human nature is not going to change.

 

Because stretch marks are trivial when compared to this:

 

Some of the abortionists here are playing up the danger due to pregnancy to such an extreme that the danger trumps any benefit to sex.

Because getting "knocked up" means she has created a human being with all the rights and protections of any human being. Can a person murder their 1 month old because it interferes with their career? Can a person murder their teenager because the teen is so getting into trouble and is a severe burden? We don't generally kill people to solve problems with our career, education, or finances.

 

Again, I want to emphasize that that posted stretch mark picture is extremely bad. It is not at all typical of the type of stretch mark problems women typically face. Some people have rare genetic skin predispositions and easily acquire stretch marks from the slightest cause.

This is about as bad as it gets for 99% of women who go through a pregnancy:
https://www.riiviva.com/skin/fronte...ages/stretch-marks/stretch-marks.bg-img.1.png

And again, I emphasize, if stretch marks are so bad, is the woman never going to have a pregnancy? I mean, is she complaining about the marks left by the unwanted pregnancy, but likely to have children 6 years later? There's going to be marks either way, the woman is just delaying the inevitable.

 

While I agree with the basic premise of your post, an embryo/fetus is not a human being YET. There is that potential, but if it is not able to survive outside of the mother's body, then it is not yet a life form of it's own. And I do agree that there are some pretty sick reasons that people will justify getting an abortion, you cannot FORCE these people into it. Besides, these people are MUCH better off not being pregnant or being parents if they are that selfish to begin with because, yes, some people do actually murder or beat their own children.

 

I agree about the stretch marks. I've never seen such horrible looking stretch marks before, and I didn't get any stretch marks at all. Some people will get them and some don't. I think that all depends on your age too. Older women are probably going to be more prone to getting stretch marks because your skin naturally looses elasticity as you age. Also, some people just get too big when they get pregnant.

 

Where did that come from? The only "bad" people doing "bad" things talked about in this thread are abortionists and their supporters killing babies.

Anyone who has not had a talk about sex with their child before that child is a teen is already behind the curve.

Education is not the real issue here, that's just a distraction brought up by the abortionists.

Not relevant. The failure of a contraceptive, or the failure to use a contraceptive is not an excuse for killing a baby.

But to answer your question, Planned Parenthood http://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control says with proper use 2% will become pregnant in a year, 18% with less than perfect use. With a spermicide/condom combination, the effectiveness is near 100% when always used correctly, 98% when not used always correctly. Add in a contraceptive used by the woman plus a condom with spermicide by the man, and the effectiveness is essentially 100%.

I'm going to guess you trust Planned Parenthood, since they are the abortion mill of the world and make their profit off of abortion, they have a vested interest in downplaying the effectiveness of contraception.

 

Also I think bigger women are less likely to get stretch marks. When there was already a plentiful amount of fat around the midsection, the skin has already had time to stretch. Stretch marks are usually caused when there is a sudden change in shape. The uterus can also bulge out in different ways. For some women it is hardly noticeable that they are pregnant, even at full term. For other women there is a gigantic bulge that almost doesn't look real.

 

Theoretically, an asteroid could land on me and kill me. That's a fact, you can't disprove it won't happen, but its a wild exaggeration and extremely unlikely. Same with most of the things on your list. They might happen a lot in Yemen or some less than third world place, but no in the US or any Western developed nation.

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No, it was laughed off the forum.

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?? Didn't read the post, did you? You got it all wrong.

 

A true comprehensive education program will discuss all aspects of sex, including the social and emotional aspects.

Again, if you have not discussed sex with your child before the child is a teen and certainly before high school, you are behind the curve.

And again, the issue is not education, almost everybody agrees education (real education, not Planned Parenthood indoctrination) helps prevent unwanted pregnancy and reduces abortions.

The real issue is that once a woman is pregnant that new life must be considered.

 

Viability has long ago been discredited. The ability to survive without dependence on another person is a poor metric for determining human status - a 1 month old is just as helpless as a pre-born baby, the only difference is location, the demands on the mothers time and energy are the same for both. Stephen Hawking is totally helpless, he is not viable. The list of people who are not capable of survival without extensive outside care is large, unless you are willing to "abort" all those people (and there are abortionists who take that position), viability is not a measure of humanity.

 

LOL! Well doctored photo from "christiangallery"" ...ya, no bias there

 

As you say....prove it.

 

Maybe those pictures aren't very appropriate. They are disturbing. This is not an abortion protest, it's a discussion board.

 

How the hell can you self-defend someone else?