Islam has replaced communism.

I dont think Im defending it, sonny...and I agree with you that its not a religion, its an ideology, and a stone age one at that...happy now.....

 

I am not defending Islam. I also agree that Islam is an ideology and not a religion. It has no place in a free modern society.

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One of the truest comments ever written on this forum.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S7QARslq74

I think we should all lighten up a bit.......

 

It wasnt directed at you cullDav and billy the kid . More so at those telling us to stop bashing Islam. I will leave Islam alone when Islam leaves kids, woman, and those with healthy values and morals...alone.

 

The guy is a dishonest raving lunatic His face has got to be red all of the time. I love the speculation and his suspense. The reveal will happening soon

He just doesn't get that the world is gunna change whether we like it or not. China in fact will become the dominant economical force, unless the US decides to start a barny with em but Russia will be waiting to pick up the slack.

We were too programmed to hate everyone different. I grew up disliking Russians or anyone who was a part of the USSR. They were just evil commies. Asians, Africans, Aborigines....Muslims weren't in the picture until 9/11. Just hate hate hate. Yes, from a conservative Christian background. The clown just doesn't get that there are some of us who see others of equal value to ourselves. Anyway I reckon the guy would definitely have hypertension.

 

Very few people knew what a Muslim was 15 years ago lol. Now we have bozos telling us that Islam is not a religion. It is all about perspectives. If perspective is one sided then you will get a one sided perspective......I hope that makes a little bit of sense.

 

I think the advent of social media has made it easier to hate, well at least make hateful comments. The keyboard has become the new armour plating, allowing full anonymity and a sense of perverted bravado.

In the past you would have to face the person face to face to deliver such venomous vitriol, and quite possibly risk physical harm in the process. However the filter of what we say and do has changed due to our fingers doing the talking, with less risk to personal attack as our avatars are somehow not attached to us in a personal way.

So yes in a way hatred could be seen as increasing. I don't agree with this. hatred has always been there but now it has a vehicle in which drive around collecting supporters and dispersing its vileness upon the general population. Social media has concentrated the effect.

As they say, a fool by themselves is harmless, but a fool by two is a dangerous entity.

 

Facebook and YouTube are full of pretty open expression. Look it's good in that context, because it allows people to be able to express their views. Hey ain't nothing wrong with forum nutters expressing extreme views, they've just got to be able to take the punches. These ones just go pyscho instead lol!

I was thinking we are more tolerant today but because younger people have that multicultural experience under their belt. The Brexit vote apparently came down to a battle between generations.

 

By now everyone has heard of the terrorist attack in Sydney...
Deputy Commissioner Burn said "he" was not connected to any local or international terror groups.
That statement is typical of the Police who practice "political correctness" which enables the 22 year old assailant to stalk people armed with his knife.
If he follows the instructions of the koran, he does belong to an international terror group, a group which thus far has literally gotten away with murder while migrating to the "bleeding heart" countries. And, let us no longer deceive ourselves, the odds are well in favor of this 22 year old lunatic belonging to the international terror group by the name of Islam, though Australia seeks to conceal that fact....
Come on people, you really didn’t believe that the crazies we've imported from Islamic countries would ever take Australia to their hearts and become good, loyal, civil, Australians, did you? We are not even in the EU, yet we are making the same horrible mistakes that European countries have made...
South Brisbane and Logan are full of "potential" terrorists....isnt it time for Australia to wake up.....
This attack comes one week after IS called for lone wolf attacks in Australia...
There was another lone wolf attack in northern Qld recently, where the Police explained it away
as someone with a mental illness in their attempt to keep a lid on things...
Even though he was shouting "allahu akbar"
Wake up Australia...

 

Yes look at all the Muslim countries that are living under sharia law.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_Islamic_law_by_country

 

Sharia law is quietly practised in Australia....but what is your point...

 

Maybe so by a few radicals, but they answer to the same law as any other criminals and I have posted proof of that. So what is your point?

If we outlawed all groups where some engage in criminal activities their would be no one left.

 

I am quite amazed at how a prejudice can cloud even the most intelligent minds. I am even more amazed at how a few with their own agenda's can influence otherwise logical people with totally illogical propaganda. Now let me clarify a few things.

Do I think that the Quran is a book of love and peace? No I don't ... BUT it is no better or worse than the Bible.
Do I think Mohammed was good? no I don't, not really. I am not even sure if the likes of Mohammed and Jesus were historical figures like King Richard or more like Robin Hood.
Do I think Muslims are bad? no, no worse or better than any other religion.
Do I condone child abuse in any context, social, religious or cultural? no definitely not in any way, they deserve the full force of the law which I truly believe is insufficient at the moment.

So why am I so adamant in fighting these threads? A few reasons but all basically based around the truth. The truth is sometimes hard to see, if we can see it at all. Lies however are different, lies can be proven to be lies.

Now there are different ways to lie and the worst kind is when they tell the truth, knowing you will assume something which is not true. Propaganda.

It must have been 30 years ago, but one day my wife was showing me this advertisement for a skin cream. It said.

Elastin is the connective tissue which holds your skin supple but firm. True
The breakdown in production of elastin causes sagging skin and wrinkles. True
RNA transcribes the code to produce elastin. True, kinda.
This product contains no animal products. Probably true, why would the lie.
This product contains RNA. Again probably true, mash a banana into it and it would.
Using this product daily has been proven to improve skin elasticity in 85% of test cases. Again probably true, but not because of what they thought.

The same result would be achieved using cold cream. Oh I can still see my mother, every night she would sit and remove her makeup carefully, then wash her face with a mild soap, pat it dry, then gently massage her face with cold cream. Very similar to the instructions that came with the "RNA" enhanced cream at 100 time the price. Did they both work? Yes much the same. It was the removal of the makeup thoroughly, the careful gentle cleansing of the skin, the stimulation of the sub epidermal tissue and enhanced blood flow by the gentle massaging using a non oil based lubricant which also helped to slough off the dead outer layers of skin.

So people assume that the RNA and the transcription stuff has something to do with it, it must, it costs a hundred times more, it must be at least 20 times better.

There are people that hate Muslims, and there are people that hate Christians, people that hate Jews, and people that just hate.
Terrorism isn't new, anyone around my age or a quick google will tell you about the terrorism in Ireland. Busloads of school children were blown up among other atrocities , and it wasn't isolated entirely to Ireland either. But we didn't cry to outlaw Catholicism or Anglicans.

ISIS are not fighting for Islam, they are fighting for their version of Islam. A corrupt fanatical version that has infected a larger group similar to how the Nazi's convinced so many germans.

Now all the garbage we hear/read is usually cherry picked to lead people to assume the outcome they want, to pursue their own agenda.

If we draw a mental flowchart showing each religion (I will only refer to Judaism/Christianity and Islam for brevity) as two arrows going down the chart. The direction is in time. Across the chart there are lines which represent the passing of time. Along each line is written the cultural practices of each period. If you look at the culture of the period in which each religion began you will see a similarity between it's writings and teachings. Most were at a time of crisis and found someway for the masses to overcome it. Moses led his people out of slavery, Christianity defeated the mighty Roman Empire, etc.

Now some Muslim countries, not all, not even most do use some Sharia law, mainly for divorce, property and inheritance purposes, a few even have public floggings still. (After watching a bit of the commission's into child abuse and some of these DV guys I am thinking something similar)

Our two biggest fears are that we will have to be better people, more spiritual, more Godly and we won't be able to drink etc.

We keep hearing "Why don't they let their women uncover their heads, why don't they MODERNISE like Christianity (well most of it) did.

So let's talk about modernising ... I bet the next "modernisation" of the Catholic church will be to allow married priests, not to allow priests to marry, Oh my no, but to let men already married become ordained priests. Why, some spiritual revelation from God, nope. Some re-interpretation of some ancient records, nope. Because the number of men entering the priesthood is dropping, I mean, no wife, girlfriend and now no access to young boys, why would you. They may even consider women priests, oh dear, wash my keyboard with soap. Need priests, need to keep some control, keep that money rolling in.

So while some religions have "modernised" at a different rate to others, most of the actual believers, the everyday believers have where it didn't directly conflict with their religion, like alcohol, they have generally fit into the society in which they are in.

I know what Billy is scared of. He won't be able to have his little drop, travelling up escalators will be boring and do you know how long it will take to learn how to tell the "form" of a camel? Mate, I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

These morons don't get it. Allowing sharia finance, is allowing and accepting sharia law. But these morons are advocating that sharia law is being practiced "quietly" in Australia.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31440296/law-of-the-land-is-sharia-law-operating-in-our-suburbs/#page1

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...-law-in-australia-with-grand-muftis-appr.html

 

Perhaps I should have used the word "insidiously" instead of quietly...
Its certainly not "insidious" in Dearborn, Michigan....but what would I know...Ill just continue
condemning Islam and the do gooders can continue supporting it...pft....

 

Indigenous Australians better all start converting to Islam NOW, because there is no place in Islam for a Nation of alcoholics - except death.

LeftRightLeft had better put on his white rodes, and get out there converting his people.

 

https://www.secondwife.com/about

Polygamy...just another delightful arm of Islam..
I suppose if Muslim women are only regarded as half the value of a
muslim man, then its ok to have two wives..or three...or four...
Seems to me to be a bit primitive and uncivilised...
Visit a muslim website and the explanation will be that there are too many women
these days and not enough men..etc etc...but Mohammed did not live in the current
world...so that explanation goes out the window...just another stone age arm of a stone age
ideology...

 

CD, you just make it so easy to prove you know absolutely nothing factual about the things you talk about and that it is your bigotry, prejudices and hatred that drive you.

You never have a positive contribution to make, whether it be for or against, your contribution, if you could call it that is to spew bigoted and racist slander at every opportunity and when challenged with a rebuttal as I am now about to do, you retaliate with insults not just against the poster as you have with me, but my partner and her entire race.

http://alcoholrehab.com/alcoholism/alcoholism-in-australia/
Ok so the TRUTH is that they drink only to the same extent non-indigenous do. I highlighted THEIR REASONS, WHAT'S OURS?

 

CD, you have pursued me tenaciously through many threads all leading back to the same tired old arguments.

It is obvious to any intelligent reader that you have a bigotry towards Islam and a racial prejudice towards the Australian Indigenous First Peoples. It is also obvious by the extent of depravity you will stoop to denigrate these people that the bigotry and racism is based purely on hatred not ignorance.

It's not ignorance because you know the truth, you have to know the truth to be able to manipulate it to hide it. The first example of this is when you published a link to the TRUTH according to you. Unfortunately the author of this PROOF was a little silly and actually proved himself wrong, as I demonstrated. If you were ignorant of the fact that neither Sharia Law, nor any religious rights, nor any custom was acceptable as a defence in Australia, you would not have gone to the effort to quote a section of an act totally out of context so that it proved your statement even though in the context it was written it proved the opposite.

The snipe against Indigenous peoples saying they are a nation of alcoholics is though born of both hatred and ignorance. I do know where you ASSumed this though, it is a discussion I often have with my friends. Indigenous people are more likely to drink in public, in parks and on the street, so they are more visible. The reasons for this are deep and cultural and to do with the loss of inhibitions to a normally shy, reserved and moral people. I see what you don't, the hundred or so friends that are employed, professionals (A doctor, a physiotherapist, an audio engineer, a Head Mistress, 4 teachers etc etc etc), 60% do not drink at all, the rest socially only. None of them when first meeting you CD would have first impressions based on the fact that you are white.

 

Oh here is an even better set of stats.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/

WOW the racist yobbo's will hate that, not only don't as many Indigenous drink as we do.. damb but those that do can out drink us. double damb

 

Since CD has resorted to dragging my partner and her race into this issue, I feel it would be remiss of me to leave you with the impression that this is just another "black" woman.

I am not defending my partner, first she has nothing to defend and secondly as you are about to find out she does not need defending.

My partner and her brother and sister were put into a home when she was about 18 months old. The home itself was a very strictly run Baptiste home. The home did give my partner a feeling of security and she loved her house mother and still has fond memories of her. My partner was the youngest of the three which gave her an advantage she wouldn't see until her adult years. The older two had more understanding that this wasn't home, that the house mother wasn't "mum". They also went to school first and mixed with the white kids, and the discrimination of the school. The kids from "the home" automatically were placed in the lowest class with all the delinquents and mentally challenged in those days, even there they were segregated to one back corner of the class, received less help and attention.

She witnessed their abuse and discrimination from her earliest age and became determined that it would never happen to her. She became tough from day one. She will admit that except for one person, no one has ever got the better of her, mentally or physically.

At 12 she was sent back to her mother, her people. They lived on a "mission" and it was rife with alcoholism, violence, drugs and despair. Three months later she caught a train to Sydney, found a refuge, sought and received a scholarship at a Sydney Ladies College, applied for ABSTUDY, found a hostel, and stayed to complete year 10.

Oh and she did it all herself, no help from social workers or anyone, no one even knew she was doing it. How many of you could do that at 12?

She is now a certified early childhood educator and is highly respected in both her profession and the local aboriginal community. She is very proactive in the community both in aboriginal rights, first people recognition, reconciliation etc, and in trying to solve her peoples problems. Drug addiction, domestic violence, alcoholism, homelessness, health issues.

She does agree the they need to take ownership of the problems, especially those they can fix like drug, alcohol and domestic violence, but she says rightfully so that we need to take ownership of ours. I have seen racism against her that even I didn't believe, and since I have been with her I have copped it too, as CD has shown.

Every day my partner, a 40 something, early childhood educator, in the corporate uniform of the company she works for, travels to and from work by government bus in the inner city of Sydney. At least once a week, maybe even more like at least twice a week, the bus will be packed, sometimes to capacity so it drives through stops except to disembark, the seat next to her will be vacant, but if another passenger gets up to disembark, their seat is immediately occupied. This is ONE example.

When this happens day in and day out, week after week, month after month, year after year, it's hard to "get over it" or "move on" or worse "own it".

If we spend a day together, I WILL SEE DISCRIMINATION at least once.

I know that there are racists and bigots in every society and by every race. That is NOT AN EXCUSE FOR US TO BE RACIST or BIGOTED .... OWN IT!

 

As I have shown with my partner's example, even those who are discriminated against all their life, abused as children, fight to get somewhere, to climb out of the hole, who strive not to be accepted as better, but to be accepted as equal. Those who have never asked for the bad things to happen to them, but have had to survive physical and/or mental abuse daily for most of their lives, when they keep receiving day in and day out the small subtle racist insults they start to become a little P'd off.

Same with the Muslims. If we keep making up lies as we have seen demonstrated quite clearly here, even in Wiki, they will get P'd off too. If we keep throwing back at them ... "own it, it's your people causing it, it's your problem" .... garbage. ISIS have killed more Muslims then non-Muslims it's everyone's problem.

But it is us that is causing the atmosphere and creating the environment to nurture it, to help it spread, to help them convert the unconverted because we P'd them off constantly. We created the political atmosphere and yes in a lot of ways we are a decadent, corrupt and immoral Godless society.

So maybe the PROBLEM really is ours, maybe we should own it, at least our bit of it. Let's fight the enemy not arm them.

 

If you can be bothered to read the next 5 responses from LeftRightleft. I knew from the start, it would only take two small words for him to show his biased character and the true reason why he supports and accepts Muslims sexually abusing children under Islamic law. The two words were: Aboriginal and Alcohol. Both words had nothing to do with the topic, as they were just used a magnet to pull his biased attitude and face to the surface for all to see.

The bias comes from LeftRightLeft knowing that the Muslims and Aboriginal culture share a similar disturbing culture, in that they both exploit sexual abuse towards children through cultural child marriages. Therefore, LeftRightLeft cannot condemn Muslims for child sexual abuse through child marriages without condemning the Aboriginal culture also.

Its very kind of him in wanting to protect two filthy cultures that engage in paedophilia by condoning child sexual abuse through child marriages.

I wonder when he going to offer his OWN prepubescent granddaughters or great-granddaughters into one of these arranged marriages he so willingly accepts and tolerates?

I look forward to the wedding invitation.

 

You see, this is where everyone can see your hatred of Islam, Australian Aboriginals and me shows.

I have always stated from the beginning I am against child abuse, I have always said I am against Paedophillia and that I both reject and despise your lumping both victims into the same basket just to justify your pathetic insults.

Any reader who has followed your pathetic attempts to defile me will know that i do not support Islam, Christianity or Judaism or any other so called religion, that is just something you concocted and have totally failed on the many times I have asked you to prove it.

I am against liars like you who concoct fairy tales, then either use spurious examples of obviously incorrect links to support you or you yourself will doctor your quotes that you cut and paste to try to convince others that you are right.

So ...
your theory has been proven to be lies.
your "proof" has been proven to be lies.
your quotes to "prove" your lies has been proven to be a deliberate attempt by you to mislead the readers into believing that your twisted viewpoint is correct even though a quick glance at the actual link shows unequivocally that you are trying to deceive the readers.

and now you expect the readers will believe you still.
They can see that you are offering no rebuttal of what I say.
They can see that you are totally ignoring the criticism because it is true and instead continuing to show not only how deep seated your hatred is, but your total contempt for the intelligence of the readers and your total disrespect for forum rules, especially Rules. 3,4,5 and 7.

They can see Your True Colours. "When you can't debate, denigrate"

 

Same just as the modern "the supposed American democracy" in 2016 can helps and closes eyes to millions of murders from the Ukrainian authorities, moderate Syrian rebels, the own army in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.