Islam has replaced communism.

Let me give you an example..
Pursuant to the Family Law Act, a consent order for say property settlement and child custody, etc
must be "fair and equitable"
Under Sharia law, which muslim women have to accept because they are women, can you tell me
if all decisions (by males) in a Sharia Tribunal are "fair and equitable"..I think not..
Blind Freddie can see that female muslims dont get a fair and equitable hearing, and they
only go to the Sharia Tribunal because they have to...thats not exactly voluntary..is it...

 

They don't have to accept anything, that's not how arbitration works. First, in all cases, including those with an arbitrator using sharia law, both parties must mutually agree to the choice of arbitrator. If either party disagrees, it doesn't go ahead.

Now, you might say that Muslim women have to agree because their husbands threaten assault/rape/murder if their wife doesn't approve of the arbitrator. I think this is flawed for the following reasons:

1. This applies to all consent, not just arbitration. Should Muslim women not be able to purchase Halal food because the transaction might be non-consensual due to a hypothetical threat made by her husband to assault her if she eats non-Halal food? Of course not. You simply treat her like the consenting adult that she is until proof of a threat is uncovered, then you arrest the husband, and thereafter return her ability to consent once the coercion is removed.

2. That she is being coerced in any given instance does not mean that she should be prohibited from consenting at all.

3. You're taking away the right of arbitration for all due to the supposed criminal activity of a few. Prove it in each individual instance rather than collectively punishing all.

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Islam is detestable to the degree it is involuntary. No more, no less.

 

The point Im making is Sharia Tribunals are unfair to women,,forget about Halal..Im not talking about that.
Do you agree that men run the tribunals..
Do you agree that women are considered half the value of men.
Do you agree that women go to a Sharia Tribunal because they are muslim...they have to..
They dont have any other choice..

 

In your opinion, not theirs.

Used it an analogy to make a clearly relevant point.

Yes, if that's what both parties mutually agree to.

Yes, if that's what both parties mutually agree to.

No. A thousand times no. There is no legal right to force someone into arbitration. If both parties do not agree, then it does not go ahead. If a woman does not agree to the arbitrator or shows signs of being coerced and it goes ahead anyway, the arbitration is illegal and the decision reached is null and void. You simply do not want to have to prove coercion on an individual basis. You want to group everyone in and collectively punish all.

It is simply factually incorrect that women legally have to accept the arbitrator their husband proposes. It's just not true. I don't know how to more clearly or emphatically state this.

Are you saying that if a woman refuses to enter arbitration, the other party has a legal right to force them into it? If so then you're wrong on the facts, if not then I fail to see the disagreement between us.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts

See para 9

The parties dont agree that the women is half the value of a man...You need to do some reading, my friend..
that is just plain rubbish...

 

You are simply wrong on the facts. There is, therefore, no point in us continuing the discussion.

1. Consent to the arbitration process as a whole is required from both parties.
2. If either party appears coerced the arbitrator has a legal responsibility to cease arbitration and alert the authorities.
3. If either party prefers to take the other to civil or criminal court, that is their legal right.
4. That you think a woman's consent to arbitration is ill-advised does not mean the consent did not occur.

 

More rubbish...
I suppose Maryam Namazie doesnt know what shes talking about......according to you....(author of my previous link)...all you have is opinion...back it up with something....just waffle....
Do some research and you might learn something about muslim women being down trodden as
they are regarded as half the value of a man....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Namazie

 

Everyone here has my complete thoughts on the subject available in this thread history. We have reached irreconcilable disagreement and are just bashing our heads against a figurative wall. I will no longer respond to posts from you in this thread.

Enjoy yourself.

 

The usual answer from someone who admits defeat....yawn yawn....

 

Extracts from wikipedia on Maryam Nazamie for others who wish to read....

Namazie has denounced the discrimination women have to endure under the Islamic regime: “From the very fact that you are a second-class citizen, even your testimony legally is worth half that of a man's, you get half what a boy does in inheritance if you are a girl. You have to be veiled if you're a girl or a woman, and there are certain fields of education or work that are closed to you because you're considered emotional.”[13] She compares women's situation under Islamic regimes today to the social inequalities under the apartheid in South Africa, and she cites as examples the existence of separate entrances for women into government offices and the separation of men and women on swimming areas in the Caspian Sea by a curtain.[13]Since 1982, there has been an Islamic Sharia Council in the United Kingdom, and Islamic sharia courts are allowed to adjudicate in familial matters (marriage, divorce, inheritance, custody of children) according to the Arbitration Act 1996. Namazie campaigns against these issues under the name One law for all.[21] She deems sharia law is discriminatory and unjust, especially against women and children: "Rights and justice are meant for people, not for religions and cultures," said Namazie. The action was launched on 10 December 2008 during the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.[22][23]

Namazie has also spoken against cultural relativism in regards to human rights and equality, denouncing the fact that Western propaganda disregards violations of human rights and the oppression of women in countries ruled by Islamists, under the excuse that these actions are part of the culture of the countries where they occur.[24] She has also pointed out that she believes the greatest opponents of sharia law and Islamism are precisely people who have lived under its rule, and that no one should have lesser rights for having been born in the place where they were born.[13]

See also quotes from the Koran about women...

http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-the-koran-say-about-women/

 

You should read Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

 

No worse than Christianity which claims to worship the Prince of Peace. Its terrorism through imperialistic invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and other countries and the killing of hundreds of thousands proves that it, too, does not bring peace but brings violence and death.

 

True enough. Religion has its uses other than spiritual.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...stensen-against-anti-muslim-sentiment/7851192

Way to go Malcolm..
Keep a lid on everything..tell Australians that we are the most successful multicultural nation
in the world..what a load of crap...he says that only because we are told to shut up and be tolerant, and
dont offend anyone...muslims are not multicultural..we have to appease them...
They are not diverse...but we cant speak against them because of racial vilification laws...
We cant even debate in any way multiculturalism...
Dont worry about that kid who just committed a crime...he just got radicalized...move on...crap, we are experiencing the exact problems as every other developed country who to the regret of many of their native citizens allowed in and still continue to do so , large numbers of muslim migrants from the Middle East,South Asia and Africa
The only difference Europe and the UK started it a few years before we did, but we are more stupid even than they were .We saw what a disaster it was in the Northern Hemisphere but our leaders went off and duplicated it here anyway,
And what have we got for it. Muslims are way over represented in welfare dependency,unemployment and crime statistics while they are not assimilating in fact the exact opposite they want to turn the place into a mirror image of Iran or Lebanon.Then there is the ongoing terror threat they have bought with them...
A total disaster...ah well...but what would I know...Im just an infidel.....

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/explosion-in-chelsea-new-york-injures-people/7855924

Terrorist attack...no way...just some kids having fun...keep a lid on it folks..just in case the general,
non muslim public panic.....we'll say it was an escapee from a mental institution...theyll believe that....

 

Lol, funny... you meant that as a joke right? Did you just drape yourself in the veil of misrepresentation and have a gulp of cherry picking? Islam is a political system which uses religion as an instrument of control.... Christianity is not, the Roman's tried to coopt it in this way but that died off several hundred years ago - so you connecting the two in this way in this day and age is way off in la la land.

The female 'fashion' of Islam is not a choice in those countries which are more Islamic. It is portrayed as a choice here in the West so they can continue their subordination to the muslim male without having to do it non-muslim men (being in the West). They do not want to be subordinate to non-muslim men, so if it were openly accepted for what it really is (in those countries where it operates according to Sharia) then they know that non-muslim men would try to take advantage of it. Moderate, apologetic muslim women in the West are liars in this regard, and they know it - its just they view non-muslims as not being worthy of the truth.

 

Muslims dont lie, do they...of course not....
See the link for the doctrine of taqiyya...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

 

Oh.......the old fall back. Taqiyya. I suppose you believe that Jesus is the product of an adulterous relationship between a sky fairy and an earthy virgin who was 'married' to a hard working carpenter. One day, he came home after work and his missus said.......'Hey, did you have a good day? By the way, I'm up the duff, but don't worry, I'm still a virgin, God did it when I was not looking.'

 

Wonderful to read your contribution...keep up the great work...

 

It aint even safe in downtown St Cloud, Minnesota....

http://kstp.com/news/st-cloud-police-crossroads-mall-report-shooting-stabbing/4267007/

 

Thank you for that link, I found it most interesting. I read about ISIS telling all Muslims to engage in "lone wolf" attacks and how out of the billion or so Muslims 1 or 2 heed the order. This will increase however, once enough newspaper articles, once enough shock jocks and show hosts, once enough politicians, once enough political forum contributors, once enough prejudice and hatred have been leveled at them, more will believe ISIS.

 

Religions are used for political ends, Christianity has a long history of it and even today it's still a powerful political force. Invoking a god or gods is very useful.

 

There is no way in hell you can convince some idiots that for a Muslim to identify themselves as a Muslim; they MUST believe in Islam, and Sharia Law is the religious law governing the members of the Islamic faith.

Therefore under Islamic religion, there can be no logical concept or no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim. Muslims MUST believe in Islam and follow Islam to identify themselves as a Muslim. If there was a concept as "moderate" Muslims, then the individuals would not be allowed to identify themselves as Mulsims under the Islamic faith, because Islam does not provided any separation.

Idiots will always be idiots. So you just have to let them believe what they want, and hope they majority are sterile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

 

Yes until the next Muslim Terrorist atrocity takes place inside Australia. Then Aussies will care again. It's better to begin doing something about the problem before the next terrorist strike occurs.

 

Yes because the news is constantly filled with Christian terrorists shrieking, "Jesus is good!" just before slicing open a pregnant woman's belly because she is a Zen Buddhist infidel. The press is just filled with Christians shouting about the Ten Commandments just before setting off their exploding vest inside a school room.