Israel Targets Convoy of Ambulances Leaving Hospital

The ambulances were targeted because Hamas was also trying to hide inside them to escape Gaza into Egypt.

 

If you are an injured terrorist inside of an ambulance, you're still a terrorist. If we had found out that Hitler was hiding on a hospital ship, we would have sank it and no one would have said a word about it...

 

The United States firebombed and nuked half a million Japanese civilians and no one bats an eye. The IDF kills a few thousand Palestinians and everyone loses their minds...

 

So who killed, raped and kidnapped Israeli women and children?

 

Don't forget all the Germans we blew up and the POW's we executed.

 

HAMAS-- you are really behind, in the news, aren't you?

 

Well dern tootin and tarnation, it wernt nary a Palestinian...lol

 

Hamas is the Palestinian government.

 

OMG - where this Hamas is hiding? How we can find and punish them for their crime?

 

The same way as ISIS-- ever hear of them?-- were rooted out of Mosul. Took nine months. Civilians were literally being held hostage, while I have seen no evidence for this claim, applying to the majority of Palestinians. Nevertheless, the total estimated civilian casualties from that operation, were between 9 and 11 thousand. That averages roughly 1,000 per month. Already, Israel has killed about 9,000 civilians: that averages 3,000 per week. And Israel is just beginning the ground phase of their operations. Obviously, then, it is not a matter of Israel needing to kill so many non combatants, in order to get Hamas. They are simply failing to make much effort, to minimize those collateral losses.


EDIT: In fact, see my recent post #28, for a NY TIMES snip, about Israeli officials relating to their U.S. counterparts, their idea of their current campaign, with the Allied bombing of German and Japanese cities (yes, including the atomically bombed ones) in World War Two. Israel seems to be looking at that, as a legitimate model-- when it was just those sorts of things that the international community outlawed, after that terrible war.

 

Not according to Israel. I heard an official spokesperson for the IDF, yesterday, say that Hamas is "not a democratic government, but a brutal, authoritarian regime."

Consider yourself corrected.

 

Your inability to distinguish Hamas fighters, from Palestinian civilians, only proves that you lack the minimum discretion and understanding of the situation, to make your woefully erroneous apprehension of it, of any value, whatsoever.

You, nonetheless, would still would qualify, apparently, to be fighting with the IDF.

 

LOL-- where do get your peculiar ideas, that no one batted an eye, after the atomic bombs, dropped on Japanese cities?

It was after the war, that our current LOAC (Law Of Armed Conflict), the rules of modern warfare, were decided and agreed upon. Targeting civilians, among other things, was outlawed, and designated a war crime. So no other country should use the firebombing of Dresden, or the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki, as a model to emulate.
And no, Israel is not the one exception to the rule, even if they apparently think of themselves, that way (see post #28, for NY TIMES snip).

 

Good point, but based on this site:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_(2016–2017)

ISIL had 6,000–12,000 militants, Hamas has as twice as much
Hamas is better equipped and better trained (by Iran)
ISIL took Mosul in 2014, it means it had only 2 years to fortify the city, Hamas rules Gaza from 2005 - it means it had18 years to fortify the city, miles of underground tunnels with plenty of places to hide, to store arms and food.
In the fight on Mosul: 900–1,200 killed, 4,000–5,000+ wounded. I don't think Israel is ready to accept such losses
So trying to fight 'the Mosul way' - the Israeli casualties will be much higher. Israel chose the other way - it asked civil population to live Gaza city and bombed every suspected site.

Now - who do you blame for 500 civilian killed in Gaza Hospital bombing - Israel or Hamas missile?

 

When you look at the current genocide the Jews of Israel are perpetrating in Gaza, i.e., the mass murder of children, do you see why pogroms like the Holocaust have been committed against Jews over thousands of years and across thousands of miles?

 

No.

 

*Countries don't have that option, of deciding they would rather kill more civilians, than lose more soldiers. In war, soldiers die. Any country entering a war, accepts that reality. While civilians also perish in a war, there are international laws, and norms, regarding this. Israel doesn't eliminate those responsibilities, simply because it mouthed the words, that civilians should flee-- and then provided no corridors of safe passage for them; did not set up sufficient facilities to handle them, once they'd arrived in the south; did not even refrain from bombing those who had heeded the Israeli directive, and were in southern refugee camps; and have offered no guarantee to any who flee their homes, that afterwards, they will be allowed to return. Many fear a repeat of 1848. Also, many are unable to flee on foot, even if they were willing to chance not being attacked by Israel on their way out (as some civilian vehicle convoys, reportedly were): they may be disabled, or hospitalized (or injured from the bombing campaign); they may be elderly; they may be a family with young children; and because Israel has choked off food, water, & medicine-- to a population in which half the people were already under the poverty line, with not enough to eat-- all would need begin this trek, weakened from lack of food, disoriented from lack of sleep (due to non stop jet bombers, overhead), and severely dehydrated. If Israel really wanted people to leave, they had a strange, & ineffective, way of showing it.

This is your off topic litmus test for me, I suppose. Why don't you read my thread, on the subject? I only once, in it, concluded anything, when I'd eventually accepted that it was not an Israeli missile, but an errant Islamic Jihad rocket. That narrative, however, has also since, come into question. I think the important point, though, is just that, whatever munition had been to blame, on either side, it had not been intentional.

 

Do the Jews of Israel have the right to steal the land of non-Jews in the occupied territories and Gaza?

NOVEMBER 3, 2023
Israeli Rabbi Describes Settler Rampages Across West Bank

"While the world’s attention has rightfully been focused on the situation in southern Israel and Gaza since Oct. 7, extremist Orthodox Jewish settlers have used this opportunity to escalate their ongoing efforts to destroy Palestinian villages in the West Bank, intimidating residents into fleeing across the Jordan Valley."

 

So...you are saying the Israelis deserve death and destruction for the civilian casualties the IDF are causing? After all, they elected Netanyahu...
And you are saying American civilians need to die when Americans drone strike a wedding in the middle east? After all, Americans voted for the governement responsible for such an atrocity.

Civilians should NEVER be held accountable for the actions of their government, elected or otherwise. They have no say in what their government does, and at any rate, they had no chance to elect anyone else, as Hamas cancelled all elections.

 

What exactly would you propose to ensure there are no civilian casualties? Further, are they still civilians if they harbor terrorists?

 

There will always be some civilian casualties. But there should not be anywhere near so many in such a short span of time. Israel is doing nothing to minimize them. They openly admit that they hit targets they know are chock full of civilians because there was some commander present. The solution is a slow, deliberate clearing of the city, grid square by grid square, using air power only when eyes on the target can tell to the best of their ability that there are no civilians present. If there are, the only solution is a ground assault where soldiers can get positive identification of hostile force, and avoid shooting at civilians. By assaulting only 1 gridsquare at a time, and then occupying it after it is clear, you are only moving small segments of population at a time, not half of Gaza, which is absurd and does not allow any positive control of the flow of civilians. With 300,000 soldiers, they have far more than enough to clear the entirety of Gaza, securing each grid square as they go. occupying and securing each grid square would prevent the return of Hamas, until the entirety of Gaza has been cleared, slowly and methodically, without blowing up hospitals and refugee camps. A grid square is 1km x 1km by the way.
It would be more dangerous for the infantry involved, but the civilian death toll would be far lower. That is the role of the soldier, to defend civilians, not kill them.

And yes, they are still civilians if they harbor terrorists. If our homeland was occupied by a foreign force, would you turn your son in because he was accused of being a terrorist or insurgent? I wouldn't. And civilians should not be punished for not turning people over.
But that does not even apply here. Hamas is not being "harbored". They are in control, and are more so every time an Israeli bomb kills civilians.

 

Is that what I said? It isn't. Is it?

 

Then you are saying you view Palestinians as less deserving of life than Jews. Which is it?

 

I asked you to prove it, and you're not.

 

Indeed. So where is the proof?