Jesus Christ is no myth part II

Continuing the discussion of Jesus Christ is no myth, the reason why it is no myth is because it is backed up by historical records in terms of:
1. Logic and common sense, if it is a myth like the Norse, Roman and Greek religions it would have been extinguished long time ago especially the amount of efforts exerted against it no ancient religion has experience so much persecution especially at that time if Jesus was a myth such persecution would have succeeded.
2. Historical records, there is no doubt that records does exist and show us that a man name Jesus of Nazareth was arrested, falsely tried, sentence to die and how the Romans were drag into what is supposed to be a Jewish affair. With out the Bible records we would not have known what really happened.
3. Science is now able to discover several archaeological sites and artifacts that confirm the events attributed to Jesus Christ. Scientist agree that the origin of creation or universe involved a Supreme Being a Designer but most of all the early Renaissance period of Darwinism and colonial science the theory of Darwin is starting to make no sense as scientist now agree that to have a single organism as the origin of all living things would mean who or what ever that single organism was it must be a very intelligent organism to be able to evolved every creature according to their own kind. The goal now of science is to discover the process of creation, it is now in agreement that Climate Change is Real. Science is able also to understand that Biblical miracles are possible and it is no magic trick.
4. Philosophically, the reality of God base on historical events and current logic that of all the creatures here on earth why only humans have the God given intelligence to question or be aware the existence of God.
5. Politically; great leaders have all acknowledge the contribution and reality of the Bible. Dictators and evil rulers launch violent campaign against the Bible.

Many modern deniers they also term themselves as scholars who use the Bible to refute the existence of Jesus Christ by claiming that there exist contradictions and the writings are fake is supposed to back up their claim that Jesus was a made up story ignoring the very fact that ancient Bible writers do not based their writing method to today's standard, they did not have university master degree in writing nor do they follow any university or college standard of writing. They wrote according to what they know. The people especially the Apostles, Paul, the Saints and other Christians all experienced first hand the reality of Christ, they suffer first hand the persecution and most of all they shared the story of Christ because it was all base on historical truth.

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No one was named "Jesus" 2,000 years ago.

 

Unless you speak Dolphin or Crow or Chimpanzee you can't possibly know this for sure!

 

There are several animals that are so intellgent they not only use tools they MAKE THEM!!

Crows are an example and they are highly intellgent in the extreme and are known for crafting tools made out of just about anything to do anything from pick the locks on a cage to use them to get food deep in crevases.

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We already know for sure that dolphins, crows, chimpanzees can not talk like humans they do not have human intelligence.

 

Such intelligence is animal instincts not human intelligence. We already know that animals do not have human intelligence.
Just like some humans deny Jesus Christ historicity or that God is not real in spite of all confirm evidences that God is real, they also believe that animals have equal intelligence as humans when in fact we at least we know that animals do not have such human intelligence. This is another clear example as to how disoriented they are.

 

I don’t think anyone significant flatly denies the existence of the man Jesus at all. I think there remain legitimate questions regarding the details (and I don’t think we can rely on the Bible as an entirely honest and accurate source). I don’t think any of the divine or “supernatural” elements are supported in the slightest.

I think that’s a stretch. The NT generally refers to events of the day so obviously archaeological evidence will reflect those events. I’m not aware of anything directly relating to the life and actions of Jesus himself.

Rubbish!

The only ones we’re aware of so far. I’d raise an almost opposite philosophical point that humans of our level of intelligence have only existed for a relatively tiny period of time. If the Universe was about us, why did it exist for so very long without out existence?

Lots of great leaders haven’t acknowledged the Bible and many have acknowledged very different (often contradictory) religious beliefs. Equally, plenty of evil and violent leaders have followed (or purported to follow) the Bible. None of this tells us anything of its truth or validity anyway.

 

Where exactly are these historical records confirming Jesus?

 

If you have not been able to communicate with one in their own animal language then you don't know this for sure either!

You are just guessing just like when proposing this jesus fellow is real, because just like these animals he doesn't speak either!

 

Jesus is no doubt real he existed and it was his extraordinary acts that made him famous and it would be his miracles that will gain him recognition. I try to see it in today's standard how missionaries or charity works are done to gain followers are through great deeds providing health care or medical support to those who are sick. What Jesus did was divine because the medical healing he did was not available during his time he was thousands of years ahead of his time he knew how to cure a blind man, a leper, a comatose man or partial dead, he was able to endure the torturing. With out his miracles especially his resurrection the world will not have known him as God.

Without the NT we will never have known Jesus, his works, his miracles, his crucifixion and his resurrection. And because of the Bible, archaeological research was carry out.
Scientist agree that the origin of creation or universe involved a Supreme Being a Designer…

Science spend countless time and efforts learning the origin of the universe they came up with many theories and are still presently and continuing to research the origin of the universe and so far their theories is that the universe was design it did not just happened by chance.

And that is more intriguing the very fact that other creatures have preexisted humans for many thousands of years they have not evolved or not acquire human intelligence.
We can theorize that the universe has been existence before intelligent humans and during that time before intelligent humans no one was in charge of expanding or taming the universe and this is the reason why intelligent humans were created later to take charge in expanding creation. and this goes back to Genesis 1

This clearly show us that men are divided between good and evil and evil will always exploit anything to their advantage they will even pretend to worship God just to gain earthly power others will declare themselves as gods.

 

Science do not guess they make theories though, and science is for sure know that animals do not have human intelligence it is no guess work.
The very reason why deniers of Christ are at a lost because just like how they believe animals can talk like humans is the reason why they lack credibility.

 

Where are the historical records not confirming the reality of Jesus Christ? None only from deniers that create their own standard using historical events and evidences to recreate their own make up stories their own parallel history their what if scenarios their own myth that is not supported by the historical Bible or history itself.

 

So you don't have any historical records beyond the Bible, yes?

 

Aside from the Bible there are the Encyclopedia Britannica, several World History books by Will Durant, Church History by Everett Ferguson and many many more that include scientific and archeological findings.

 

Can you cite the records of Jesus' trial? I've never seen them.

I can't help but think you're making too much of Christ's historicity. His existence is accepted as much as we accept many other people in ancient world,. Buddha and Lao Tzu being two examples that come to mind, but is that the important thing? According to C.S. Lewis the important thing about Christ is that he is God Made Man

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Those are not historical documents and there are zero direct archaeological findings that confirm Jesus existed.

 

I've read Caesar and Christ by the Durants, I don't recall it mentioning any actual records of Jesus' trial, but I'll try to find my copy. You have to remember we have only second hand references to many of Antiquities most popular and well-known authors and not much of that. "It's as if we knew of Shakespeare and had one copy of Coriolanus, (a lesser work) to judge him by", has said one expert (I forget who). I'd be really surprised if any primary source documentation of an obscure trial in an outlier province survived but I await your citation of the record, thanks.

And again, it doesn't really matter. Jesus IS accepted as a real person by many scholars and that should be enough. Our standard of proof for things that happened that long ago is just not the same as for more recent history

 

Note the strawman fallcy employed by this poster. He's an expert at creating logical fallacies.

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Our resident Biblical Scholar speaks.

 

Jesus trial is recorded in the Bible on the gospel of Mark, Luke and John. Two prominent Jewish leaders that were believe to be present during the trial were Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea both are said to be members of the Sanhedrin.

The reason Jesus is unique to other religious individuals such as Lao Tzu, Buddha or Confucius is that Jesus claim he is the Son of God he actually performed miracles that no man could do especially with his resurrection. With out his resurrection the story of Jesus would have ended with his burial there will be no Christianity.

 

1. Zoroastrianism is older than Christianity and was also persecuted and is still around so there is at least one other faith that meets that criteria.

2. The Bible is not in and of itself of any historical value being a constructed book by committee taking the "popular" books of the NT in most cases and these written well after the supposed death of Jesus.

3. There may be archeological evidence of some Biblical referenced locations however what does that have to do with anything pagan religions referenced real places such as Mt. Olympus it doesn't mean its true. As for your science claims I addressed this in other places most scientists are pretty sure there were many biogenesis locations on the planet likely creating many species tracks and one became dominant the successful ponds of muck, it was happenstance we have the world we see there could have been another life system easily. And there is no agreement at all by legitimate scientists miracles are possible as in defying the natural scientific principles.

4. How do you know the great apes might have a concept of a higher power for all we know?

5. What makes that evidence most were raised and brainwashed into a cult since they were little so of course many great world leaders believed in the sky-fairy and his zombie son that doesn't mean its true.

 

These are just a small number of historical accounts of Jesus Christ, aside from the Bible there are the Encyclopedia Britannica, several World History books by Will Durant, Church History by Everett Ferguson and many many more that include scientific and archaeological findings and many more. It is expected that deniers will deny all these they will deny history, philosophy, logic and science. Still, we are not here to sell or force the truth to them but to share it.

 

The NT is hardly second hand information it was from the Apostles but most of all prominent Sanhedrin such as Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea and possibly Gamaliel. It is clear that the Apostles were not present during Jesus trial because it was held in closed door with all Christ supporters kept out it is also recorded that not all the Jewish leaders were against Christ or do they support the illegal trial they were there and they witness to the trial.

 

Those are not historical documents. Those are things that were written centuries after the fact.

 

Those are historical documents written after and according to the facts.

 

Deniers, all they have are strawman no credible evidences to refute the historicity of Jesus Christ.