Jesus Christ is no myth part II

Islam is the parallel or the fringe of Christianity it plagiarized everything from the Bible it is the only successful heretical Christian sect that succeeded in spreading false Christianity.
Zombies are fictional beings like leprechauns, or genies that some atheist such as you believe in other atheist believe in what is now known as clinical dead or coma which is what science believe Lazarus condition was.

 

Jesus sheep multiplied, today the entire world is about 30% Christians in spite of the thousands of years of persecution.
The Romans tried to mutilate Jesus body, Joseph of Arimathea was a member of the Jewish ruling class he was one of the few Jewish elites that believe in Jesus Christ he was instrumental making sure that the Resurrection will happened according to as predicted.

 

I will watch your video. If it proves god exists the creators of it deserve the noble prize. But i will evaluate it critically as a skeptic. If its your sacred cow it will be gored.

 

Well I'm not surprised by the information in the video. The narrator made a lot of claims that scientists believe in God, which supports my claim. Belief isn't evidence. There was a lot of talk about how "unlikely" the narrator thinks the universe existence is, but it appeared to be quite circular reasoning. Prior to the universe nothing in existence now existed, including time, matter and space. Where that does leave room for a being to have created it but thst doesn't indicate that being is anything like the biblical god or in any way benevolent or slightly concerned about us, and that is just the creation explanation.

Also he gave some strange odds in which he said the word trillion like 15 times as if that means anything and I have no idea where he got those odds. I find them suspect.

But nothing in that video proves God sorry

 

If it was written years later by someone else, then the phrase "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me" was also part of their write ups. What these writers did was to write a story based on real characters or in today's standard reality show. Those writers have to be very good, very sophisticated, well educated beyond their time they have to be smarter than the smartest Jewish and Roman scholars, and leaders to have created this very powerful story that would forever change the course of Jewish, Roman and religious history and philosophy.

 

It always seems strange to me that those who believe in God would attempt to use science to support their belief when science includes NOTHING that would answer ANY question about god - including whether there IS a god.



And, yes, there are (and have been) scientists who believe in some sort of god.

However, every conclusion for which they are lauded does not involve god in any way.

Science and religion are two separate realms. There is no method of integrating them. They are two very different methodologies.

 

The story had very little to do with it. Much of the story of Jesus was taken from previously existing messianic and other myth.

The reason Christianity is around is due in part to concepts such as forgiveness and charity (its a religion that was appealing to the working man at the time).

The main reason it became a global success was due to Constantine making Christianity part of the State religion. The priestly class got political power in a relatively short period of time and it was due to political power that Christianity was spread by the sword.

 

Lazarus was stinking up the place. They could smell him a mile away. John 11:39 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John 11:39

 

Science, history, philosophy, medicine or theology are primary ways and means to proof that God is real and this goes back to Einstein quote:
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details.

That is why the church has been a strong supporter of science.

In the end scientist faith is to discover God the latest Higgs-boson of the God-particle is one great example.

Science and God goes hand in hand and Einstein say it well I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details.

The church support for science is historical.

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The video clearly show that science agrees that creation is from God not from man or nature.

 

What makes early Christianity appealing was not just the teachings of charity or forgiveness but it was the miracles of Jesus that accompanied it and most of all Jesus unselfishness and self sacrificed that his Apostles continued on.

Christianity became wide spread with worshipers all worshiping Jesus underground for fear of being executed for almost 300 years long before Constantine legalized Christianity. After the legalization, Christianity became politicized with many heretics sprang up the early notorious heretical sect was Arianism which at one point had the backing of the Roman court it would lose its political backing after Christians got the backing of other Roman generals.

Since the time of Constantine separation of church and state was already in practiced especially in Eastern Roman empire. Islam led by Mohammed would change all that he would integrate his heretical Islam with militancy and politics thus creating an army and government of Islamic zealots spreading Islam with the sword fast forwards to 19th century, communism will spread their atheist doctrine by war, suppression of freedom and persecution of Christianity.

 

The Bible did not said the smell can be smell a mile away that is your own doctoring.

Jesus said, “Take ye away the stone.” Martha, the sister of him that was dead, said unto Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he hath been dead four days.”

It is normal that a tomb that has been closed for four days will have a stench smell, was it a stench of decaying body?

 

I don't see how it says that it's clearly created by God. I heard the narrator say repeatedly what scientists believe not what they have proven.

 

Science has still a long way to go to discover God and so far they have not given up. The video clearly explain what I can say based on what Einstein have been saying or said; I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details. It is all about discovering the process and so far scientist are agreeing that creation was started by some intelligent designer and what is revealing is that God is part of what is driving science.

 

So there is no proof you have to take it on faith, i was correct, thanks it was fun.

 

Miracle claims were nothing unusual during the first century AD. The "Pope" Clement 1 around 95 AD in one of his letters to one of the Churches used the story of the Phoenix as an example while making a case for the resurrection.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)

People believed this stuff and pious fraud was the rule rather than the exception. What good is a messianic figure without a few miracles ? All such myths contained miracles.

There were heretics long before Constantine. The modern trinity doctrine (That Jesus was God - The Father - God of Abraham) is something that almost none of the early Church fathers believed, was not something that the disciples or Paul believed, and not something that Jesus believed.

Church and State were fused prior to Constantine, this fusion was strengthened by Constantine, and strengthened further after Constantine.

 

They had a dead donkey in the tomb. Even the Bible says that dead people don't return to life. If the crowd had seen zombie Lazarus they would still be purifying themselves 2,000 years later. BTW, the writers went overboard with the Lazarus character because they have him playing several roles.

 

You were correct that faith i snot enough as shown on the video, scientist working hard and continue to do so as they slowly learn and discover God how the process of creation all begun.
Faith that the earth is flat has been proven to be wrong.
Faith that zombies are real have been proven wrong.
Faith and facts of Jesus Christ miracles prove that God is real.

 

The difference was that Jesus's miracles were profound, witnessed by many, affected many in a short period of time and the failures of the Jewish rulers to disproved his miracles and his claim that he is the Messiah. Instead of charging Jesus of being a false prophet, a crazy man, a delusional man they charged him of blasphemy and they were very insistent that he be put to death at the same time there were members of the ruling class that believe in Jesus. Even Pilate was in doubt of the charges the Jewish were charging Jesus of.

after the death of all the Apostles and first generation Christians, succeeding Christians started to inject heir own translation and creating their own sects. Jesus Christ believe in the Trinity. He being the Son of God, God being the Father and the Holy Ghost that would be with his Apostles.

The early church has no state that was why they were hunted and persecuted they have no protection from laws they were stateless.
Constantine finally put a stop to Christian persecution after he accepted Christ. The separation of church and State continues, the church would become a hostage with the rise of secular power as they demand divine endorsement and authority from the church.

 

I disagree. People have faith and dint understand science. Prior to scientific discovery it was plenty.

All the video does is point out room for the belief in God. It doesn't say anything about proof or evidence.

That is because it can be proven wrong. A being that exists out side the scope of our perception would be impossible to prove exists or not.

Faith only exists. There is no facial basis for miracles.

 

Facts? Source please.

 

There is no proof that anyone witnessed any miracles or that these were not magic tricks. How on earth would a Jewish ruler disprove someone claiming "its a miracle" ?

We have groups of people in this day in age claiming to see visions of the virgin Mary in the clouds. How on earth would one prove that this did not happen ?

As stated in my previous posts .. folks claiming miracles during the time of Jesus was a regular occurrence. The powers at be could not be bothered to pay attention to such silliness.

Some of the "miracles" of Jesus were clearly made up after the fact. The raising of Lazarus for example is a retelling of the Osirus (El-Asur-us) resurrection myth.

Hebrews added their prefix for house (' beth ") to " Anu " to produce "Beth-Anu" or the " House of Anu ." Since "u" and "y" were interchangeable in antiquity, " Bethanu " became " Bethany ," the location mentioned in John 11.

Anu is an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually. Asar was an alternative name for Osirus, Horus' father. Horus raised Asar from the dead. He was referred to as " the Asar, " as a sign of respect. You can find how the etymology of Lazarus ( El-Asur-us) = Osiris in many places.

So we have Jesus raising Lazarus (Osiris) in Bethany (House of Anu). This is way to many coincidences for any rational thinking person to dismiss.

There are numerous parallels between Jesus and Horus. Too many to dismiss. http://www.tauhid.net/horus-jesus.html Some of the parallels are debated but on many there is no debate. There are also parallels with other mythical figures such as Mithra.

If the writers of the Gospels were as intelligent as you claim they would not have paralleled other well known myths so closely. It was expected that a messianic figure would conform general character "typecast role" of previous messianic figures. There is almost nothing in the story of Jesus that is unique, not second hand myth.

If Jesus believed he was God (God the Father) then why did he call out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me" in his last breath. Did God/Jesus , in a fit of masochistic delirium forget who he was and start calling out to himself ?


Jesus refers to God (the Father- God of Abraham) as someone other than himself on numerous occasions. Jesus prays to this God. He asks this God to take the cup from his hand. Was Jesus praying to himself and crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death?

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him - in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43) Why does God/Jesus need to be strengthened by an Angel ... Seriously ?

God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:2

Paul did not think Jesus was God ‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13). Jesus is a servant of God .. not God.

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5). Is God's power limited ?

It goes on and on...

Jesus did not believe he was God, nor did his disciples, nor did Paul, nor did the vast majority of the early Church fathers. Tertullian was the first (around 200 AD) and his trinity doctrine was declared heretical at the time.

The fusion of Church (the Christian Church) and State became stronger after Constantine. This is historical fact. Christianity spread due to conversion by the sword after Constantine.

 

No, science has absolutely no way of addressing the existence of a god, let alone a way of attributing any event to a god.

And, throughout history to the present, religion has positioned itself against science.

By the way, that "god particle" thing has nothing to do with god - it was used to suggest the particle is fundamental in some way. You should prefer god's name to be used more reverantly
And, your Einstein quote is so irrelevant as to be off topic.

 

You were correct that faith i snot enough as shown on the video, scientist working hard and continue to do so as they slowly learn and discover God how the process of creation all begun.
Faith that the earth is flat has been proven to be wrong.
Faith that zombies are real have been proven wrong.
Faith and facts of Jesus Christ miracles prove that God is real.

You mean you need facts to proof that the earth is not flat or zombies are real or not? Ok, here it is according to scientist there is no doubt the earth is round not flat and that zombies are fiction created by writers to provide a form of entertainment.
[video=youtube;3oz7k7Wn_vo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oz7k7Wn_vo[/video]
[video=youtube;UP1hzKnDfdk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1hzKnDfdk[/video]

 

You claimed Jesus miracles as fact. I want the evidence he performed a miracle. While you're at it you might provide evidence he existed.

 

So Jesus didn't return to life as a zombie? Well, as Paul said, you're then out of luck. You're never get to live forever so you might as well have some wine. Paul told Timothy that wine was good for what ailed him.