Jesus Christ is no myth part II

The Jewish rulers could not disproved something that is real. If it was all fake they have nothing to worried about but because Jesus was gaining so many followers unlike any other prophets it alarm them and it alarm them because it was his miracles that was gaining him followers. There were many witnesses that was why the Jewish rulers had to quickly arrest and have him tried in closed doors.

Only one has been proven to be real and that was the apparition of our Lady at Fatima. Today, we have the science to investigate miracles and so far after investigation some of the miracles were proven to be indeed a miracle.

Only folks who were directly affected by Jesus miracles and those who witnessed it and the reason the rulers paid attention and got concern they had to quickly silence Jesus was because his miracles that they could not disproved so concern they were that they had some doubt on themselves that Jesus could be God and the miracles could be real that was why they were afraid to personal execute Jesus instead they had the Romans do it.

The story of Osirus is a myth a story of its own nothing to do with Jesus.

The very reason God revealed himself was due to stories such as these mythical and false gods Horus, etc. etc.

What is unique is that the story of Jesus is not myth that was why it was accepted and it prospered in spite of all the aggressive attempts to eradicate the truth about Jesus.

Jesus is human as a human it is normal to call out to your parents. The problem is you are defining God based on your standard.

And truly too, Jesus also claim to be the One, I AM. Again, the problem is you are defining God based on human standard.

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Because Jesus is human, God in human form same thing that happened when Satan tried to tempt Jesus and Jesus reprimanded Satan reminding Satan that he should not tempt God, Jesus reminded Satan that he is God not just Jesus and Satan defeated walk away.

And "I AM"

And Paul worship Jesus Son of God. The problem is you are misinterpreting the Bible the only good thing is that at least you turn to the Bible to learn about God. Many heretics have turn to the Bible and all of them have misinterpreted the Bible according to their standard that is how heretical Christian sects grew and the most successful one is Islam.

Good point, Jesus miracles was on selected people he did not just go wield his powers worldwide that is what every humans expect God to do if God does that what's the point of having humans the intellect or free will? God might as well do everything himself or have everything automated no sickness, no poverty, no wars, no emotion, no nothing this will defeat creation.

Jesus performed miracles that are now explainable as possible.

The fusion of Church and State become controversial as State rulers started to hold the church in hostage demanding the church to endorsed them with divine authority. The State continued with their wars and conquest while the church continue to send missionaries to unknown, wild, barbarian and hostile lands with barbarian tribes successfully converting with the missionaries armed only with the Bible against the swords would preserved and succeed through good deeds, charity, providing health care, spiritual care and education.

 

Zombie is what voodoo practitioners believe. Do you real believe zombies are real?

 

Aside from the Bible, historical records from the Jews, Tacitus and Josephus all confirm that it was Jesus miracles that made him gain so many followers in a short period of time. Without Jesus miracles there is no reason for the Jewish rulers to be concern, Jesus could have end up like John the Baptist.
Jesus existence is confirm by recorded history Jewish history, Encyclopedia and the Bible are all clear evidence of Jesus historicity.

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Aside from the Bible, historical records from the Jews, Tacitus and Josephus all confirm that it was Jesus miracles that made him gain so many followers in a short period of time. Without Jesus miracles there is no reason for the Jewish rulers to be concern, Jesus could have end up like John the Baptist.
Jesus existence is confirm by recorded history Jewish history, Encyclopedia and the Bible are all clear evidence of Jesus historicity.

 

Josephus on Jesus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A page from a 1466 copy of Antiquities of the Jews
The extant manuscripts of the writings of the 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus include references to Jesus and the origins of Christianity.[1][2] Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD (nearly 25 years after the first known Gospel, Mark, dated around 70 AD),[3][full citation needed][full citation needed] includes two references to the biblical Jesus Christ in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Not 1st hand accounts. Historical accounts based on earlier stories. Fact based? Who knows, sure some facts, but only 2nd hand facts at best.

 

Christianity is a death cult that worships a zombie. Christians aspire to become zombies themselves so that they will have eternal life. They will live off of one piece of fruit a month and some water. Remember, a magic number of believers have to get killed before Jesus returns. It's all biblical.

 

As mentioned by Dairyair, those are second hand at best. And, by this hurdle, Benny Hinn performs miracles.

 

Second hand based on historical first hand and no where did Josephus relate or mention in his records that Jesus was a myth in fact his records will be confirm as historical it will be archived not on the fiction or myth categories.

 

Death cult is what communism is all about.
Zombie worship is what atheist believe in
Thanks to Christianity the world has become a safer and better place to all including to atheist.

 

The Bible, writings by Josephus, Tacitus and the Talmud are primary sources that were used and being used by atheist and none atheist to confirm and learn about historical Jesus Christ.

 

The bible is so flawed and biased it can't be considered factual. The others are not first hand and are too far removed to be claimed as substantial evidence. Roman records should be inundated with official reports of such miraculous events. We have so much information on the personal issues of Cesar's, yet decades old writings on a character of Jesus's magnitude. A gods word/evidence should be bullet proof, yet the bible God is far from it.

 

Much of your response was so loopy that me commenting would be a waste of breath.

Someone saying " I am" is vague and could mean a number of things

What about the nearly 100 passages where Jesus directly states or infers that he is not God ?

You desperately cling to a vague passage in hopes of fitting scripture in to the trinity doctrine while completely ignoring the nearly one hundred passages that contradict this claim. Is this not myopic to the the extreme ?

There are numerous other issues with the "I Am = God" claims but, this will just lead to more loopy responses so I start with the above and we can move on from there.

Why do you completely ignore all the passages where Jesus "directly" claims or infers that he is not God ?

 

Any flaws in the Bible is due to how deniers wanted to misread it and interpret it according to their standard.
The Romans were too busy with the Jewish rebellion the only time they started to pay attention to the Christians was when they discovered how different they were how the Christians who were mainly Jews were actually preaching to all not just to the Jews. It is expected that there will be many records about Cesar but records about Jesus would catch up thanks to the Bible and to the efforts of Tacitus and Josephus they brought the history of Jesus to the Roman empire.
The evidence of God is bullet proof that is why Christianity has spread world wide in spite of the violent and aggressive persecution in trying to erased it for the past 2000 years.

 

Jesus never denied or claim he is not God. His statement referring to My Father, My God is not the same as I am not God.
In fact he let the people understand and recognize him as the Son of God as God.
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus answered, "It is said: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

This is the greatest acknowledgement Jesus revelation that he is God when he identified himself to Satan that He is God 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

The Jewish rulers charged Jesus of blasphemy not for public disturbance, civil or religious disturbance but for blasphemy. And Jesus never rejected the blasphemy charges against him.

As I said no where in the Bible does Jesus deny or claim he is not God.

 

Was Jesus put to the test when he was crucified?

 

Josephus's mentions of Jesus are likely forgeries added by later scribes. They make no sense in the context of the passages that they were inserted into and they have Josephus, an anti-Christian Imperial Jew, refer to Jesus as the Messiah, which would go against everything he believed in.

 

Is flaws are only due to misreading, how do you explain that the census recounted in the Gospel stories at the time of Jesus's birth contradicts literally everything we know about how Romans conducted censuses?

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Josephus's writings about Jesus are likely forgeries.

Tacitus only writes about Christians and explains what Christians believed, he does confirm the truth of their beliefs.

The Talmud does not talk about Jesus.

 

You've been shown, time and again, that history proves that the Bible has errors. You're simply not willing, or able, to research these things. And the above - in bold - is also incorrect.

 

Jesus says that God is greater than he is. This is the same as claiming that he is not God. If God is greater than Jesus then how could Jesus be God ?

Jesus says there are things that God knows that he does not. This is the same as claiming that he is not God. If Jesus is God then how could God know things that Jesus does not.

The idea that Jesus prays to himself is absurd.
The idea that Jesus asks God to not make him go through with his plan is absurd (if Jesus is in fact God) - this is the same as claiming that Jesus is not God. If Jesus was God he would not have to ask God to not make him go through with crucifixion.
That Jesus would forget that he is God while hanging on the cross and say that God has forsaken him is absurd (if Jesus is God).

The debate over the nature of Christ's divinity was a major topic in the early Church. While all Christians agreed that Jesus was the "messiah - Son of God" , the nature of that divinity was a subject of debate. Most believed Jesus was a lesser God ... a God but subordinate to "The Father".

Thomas exclaiming that Jesus is his God does mean that Thomas mean "God of Abraham". First off, it is not Jesus speaking, Second it is a colloquialism. Third, calling Jesus "my God" does not mean he means "God of Abraham". Thomas believed Jesus was the Son of God, Messiah, who himself was also a God to Thomas. Fourth - None of the earlier Gospels have such language and the Author of John is writing a long long time (100-120 AD) after the death of Jesus. (There are many strange things in the Gospel of John that do not jive with earlier Gospels)

Fifth - Because this passage is not Jesus speaking, and the speaker could mean many things it is completely irrational to claim that such a passage over-rides all he other direct claims/inferences by Jesus that he is not God.

We all agree that Jesus touted himself as the Messiah - Son of God ?? The voice from heaven "You are my Son" at the baptism of Jesus shows that Jesus is NOT God.

Further, in the first and earliest Gospel (the Gospel copied and used as source material by all the later Gospels) Jesus is not even divine until his baptism.

You completely misunderstood this passage. Jesus is not calling himself Lord or God in his encounter with his brother Satan. Satan is asking Jesus to test God ... by having angels save him from the fall.

Not even close - You completely misunderstood that passage.

Jesus was not charged with calling himself "God of Abraham" ?

The Emperor was God's emissary on earth ( the one who was allowed to speak for God .. Pontifex Maximus). To claim that one is an emissary of God (Messiah/God's Son) is usurping the Emperors position (a capital crime).

Roman courts were very thorough. Jesus would have been asked all kinds of questions in relation to claims of divinity to determine if Jesus had usurped Caesar.

The fact that Pilate finds Jesus "not guilty" shows that course Jesus must have denied that he was in a position to speak for God.

The question of whether or not Jesus was God (God of Abraham) never even came up ?

 

This website was started by a cold case detective. He uses his detective skills to come to the conclusion that the story of Jesus Christ is real, the man is real, and he rose from the dead. The most interesting part is he did as an athiest trying to disprove it.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/

 

Jesus was not put to the test when he was crucified. Jesus through his selflessness, self sacrifice and total love and concern for humanity allowed himself to be crucified his crucifixion would be the ultimate proof that he is God and God is real.

 

"Likely" at the same time unlikely there exist no evidences that Josephus mention of Jesus were forged claims. For a man like Josephus who as you said is an anti Christian Jew would take some serious convincing and witnessing first hand that the Christians are real and what made them so real is that they were worshipping a real God. Josephus or the Jewish rulers could have easily wrote that their exist no such man name Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus Christ, and they did not wrote such denials.

There exist no external or primary sources of evidences to disprove Jesus Christ.

 

So Jesus was tested to see if he would fulfill his promises even though he would get crucified for having made them.

 

The census was mention in general terms that confirm such census existed and enforced by the Romans against the Jews.
No external sources is available about the birth of Jesus aside from the Bible and if we are to consider the many other Jews that did not comply with the census or did not understood how the census work we would understand that only the mentioning of the census in the Bible confirm that such rule existed.
Tacitus writings was due to the increased Christian incidents and the fact that it was attracting many none Jews especially Romans converting to Christianity, the truth of Christian beliefs that was based on reality not mythological gods or goddesses or on man god such as Cesar.

Talmud
http://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v01-n02/talmud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

 

Gibberish. Jews complied with any Roman census as it also involved valuing property for Tax purposes. Failure to do so was punished severely. And Jews knew what was required. One thing that was not required was for Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem Ephrata. In fact that against Roman Laws. Josephs property was in Nazareth - near to Bethlehem in Zebulon - not Bethlehem near Jerusalem.

 

Hindus are real, does that mean that their gods are?

Josephus lived around Romans who worshipped Sol Invictus, did that make the sun god real?

Josephus didn't write anything about Jesus. The sections of text where mentions of Jesus appear don't make any sense given the passages around them. They interrupt narratives about totally different topics. That is why they are likely forgeries.

There exist ZERO primary sources about Jesus.