Laws needed to stop pitbulls & such thugs owning them?

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    What a surprise. You're basing your entire position on personal bias instead of objective analyses. Color me shocked!
     
  2. wezol

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    I didn't say that ALL accidents involving kids were due to the kids antagonizing them, I just said that it DOES happen.

    And I will say, that any dog that bites a kid, should be put down. If my dog ever bit someone, I would put him down.

    Now, there ARE pits out there that are just f*cked in the head, because of inbreeding. You see those pits that are ridiculously short and wide, are inbreed. Originally, pits were between 35-45 lbs, not huge dogs. Again though, this is not the dogs fault, it is on US as owners of these dogs to LEARN about the breed and raise and breed them correctly.

    I agree with you on some points, and I know that bad things happen. But again I blame the owners. Here is why.

    Many people get them because they are "cool", and they say "well, I've owned a dog before and he listened, so it'll be fine".

    Raising and owning a pit bull (and any bull terrier breed) isn't as forgiving as, say, a golden retriever. Again, it is on the owners to LEARN about the breed, and how to raise them properly. It takes a lot of work and consistency, it's just the way it is, and it's that way with ALL dogs, but pits are less forgiving if you don't act responsible with them.

    When mine was a pup, I would take him EVERYWHERE. Tractor supply, pet stores, feed lots, parties, parks....anywhere where there were a lot of different people. He is 5 now, and his training is STILL not over, not in my eyes. But now, I don't even have to use my voice. All it takes is a simple snap of my fingers to get him to lay down, or sit, or back off. He doesn't jump on people (wont even jump on me, even if I ask), doesn't chase kids, is extremely well mannered, and have been approached many times by people just like you, who have had bad experiences with them, and been told how glad they were to meet my dog and finally see they aren't all that bad.

    Again, it takes responsibility. You don't chain your dog up for days on end, you don't put them in the house with no exercise, you keep them in check and you make sure they know who the alpha dog is.

    What happened to you at your grandma's, was the dog thinking he was above you in the food chain. Sorry to say, but that's on your grandma......don't mean to insult her, not trying to. I know that grandma's can do no wrong :mrgreen:

    Just saying.

    Taking dogs away from responsible owners isn't the answer. It's keeping them OUT of irresponsible owners and breeders hands, but you don't do that by banning them, because just like guns, all that would do is keep the dogs away from responsible owners and the irresponsible owners won't give them up and will always find a way to get them for fighting. They will just go underground.
     
  3. wezol

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    Unfortunately, that's the way it is when people hear pit bull.
     
  4. DBM aka FDS

    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    Which is ridiculous... I already went at it with someone on this thread who had no clue. The Pit Bull was bred to be a family dog. It is the owner who transfers the dog into something bad.

    When I was rescuing dogs and working at the shelter do you know what type of dog had the most bitings? It was the Golden Retriever… The next was the Labrador! Do you know why that was? Is because most people who own dogs are stupid and don’t do research on their animals. Both are part hunting dogs and without the proper training – they will bite… and it’s usually not a nip on the leg…
     
  5. wezol

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    Exactly, pits werent meant to be human agressive, otherwise, why would people stand in the fighting ring with them when two go at it? We made them the way they are. It's on US.

    I posted the temperament stats on a previous post, with the link. Pits scored higher then 70% of the 216 breeds tested. And scored higher than many of your average house hold dogs here in America. But it went ignored.
     
  6. JavisBeason

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    If I get in a wreck because I was speeding for the conditions or my abilities...its common sense to slw the frame down next time.

    I wont apologize for learning a life lesson at 5
     
  7. JavisBeason

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    Sorry....I've seen enough "pitbull kills baby in crib" headlines to have zero sympathy for owners or breed

    What sucks is its always a person who doesn't deserve to be attacked. I mean...if you break in a house and get mauled by a pitbull, que sera.

    Bad owners own poodles too, but kids and the elderly aren't killed by poor animal raising.

    Since human free will to be a POS owner can't and wont stop....take away the bazooka dog and give them a b-b gun dog.

    Pittbull genocide is perfectly acceptable
     
  8. wezol

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    Believe what you want, cause there is no changing your mind even with proven stats. BUT

    I feel sorry for the poor soul who tries to take away my dog, it will be the end of them.
     
  9. JavisBeason

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    I promise... if you were my neighbor, and your dog attacked my kid like Spike attacked me.... you wouldn't know what happened to your dog.

    And don't give me "my dog won't attack a kid" because lucky for me.... I was the first kid Spike attacked too. Oh yeah, thanks to my dad... I was his last kid he attacked.


    The two most common defenses to pitbull attacks are "the person must've done something to agitate my dog" and "it's the owner, not the breed" but a close 3rd is "my dog has never done that before"..... well, I'm glad my kid that just got killed was his first.
     
  10. wezol

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    Do you not read? Seriously? Re read what I've posted, post #77. I strait up said if my dog bit someone, I would be the one to put him down. I think your ignorant ass has a comprehension problem, seriously. You make decisions based off emotion, and think it's universal. You're a hypocrite, you don't like being labeled a racist because of a few bad apples, but your on here saying all Pitts are bad, which is a huge generalization. Hypocrite.

    Now if they pass a BS universal ban on Pitts and try and come take my dog, good luck with that. My dog saved my life, I'll return the favor.
     
  11. perdidochas

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    Arrest them for actual crimes, not possession. If he's fighting dogs, arrest him for that. If he's not taking care of his dogs, arrest him for that.
     
  12. SaveUSA

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    Yes, there is no urge to control everything but to breed dogs to kill humans, isn't that important to stop?
     
  13. JavisBeason

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    how did it save you? were you being attacked by an angry baby, or pestured by a crotchety old person?

    comparing pits rights to racial equality is laughable.... at best... completly moronic at worst. Dogs < Humans....

    No soul... no rights


    Unless you sleep with your dog though.... antifreeze in water bowls takes care of your precious pits... and you will phail in returning the favor....
     
  14. Daggdag

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    Pit bulls can be one of the most loving companions and one of the best watchdogs you can get. They are not naturally agressive. That only happens when they are trained to fight.
     
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    And the morons who do that should be jailed... for a long time. :furious:
     
  16. yardmeat

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    OH NO! I own a beagle and a border collie! And since we all know that all pit bulls are ticking timebombs of blood and carnage, and my babies scored lower on the temperament test, my days are truly numbered :(

    But seriously, the vast majority of the dogs at the dog parks I go to are pit bulls. Despite the nonsense being spouted here, none of them have attacked any of the adults, children, or dogs at these parks. Occasionally a "fight" will break out between the dogs that would scare a non-dog owner. All of us who actually own dogs are familiar with the noisy scuffles that don't end up drawing a single drop of blood.
     
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    Riiiiight, and the 99.9% of pit bulls that never attacked anyone in their life just died before they got the chance, right? :bored:
     
  18. Zook

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    This thread is racist! How dare you guys discriminate against the black "man" who wants to use his pitbulls for dogfighting!
     
  19. wezol

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    My dog has been my savior since I've been home from Afghanistan. He's been my therapy, and has helped to bring me back from a dark place.

    He also scared off a peeping tom when my ex wife was home while deployed, scared off a guy stalking her, who followed her to our home. Then after I got home and we moved, we had some kids attempting to break in, I had my gun, and my dog...in that instance, my dog saved THEIR life.

    So let me get this strait, if you were my neighbor, you would poison my dog even if he did nothing to you?
     
  20. wezol

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    Yeap! We need to ban them! NOW! :omg:
     
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    Hmmmmm...... I know a college educated hearing impaired woman, what dog does she have? A pitbull. The most well behaved dog I have ever seen.

    Its the owner, not an entire breed.
     
  22. wezol

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    Don't you know that there's no such thing as a good pit bull? Have you seen the news! OMG OMG OMG
     
  23. Anders Hoveland

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    No, no, all dogs come from the same species. There is more genetic diversity within a single breed than there is between different breeds. In fact, "breeds" do not really exist at all. Labeling dogs with such derrogitive names as "pit bull" or "german shepherd" is racist. We should judge an individual dog by its (oops, I mean his/her) behaviour, not be prejudiced by its "breed". :-D
     
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    I was visiting a friend this morning and her seven-year old grandson has a pit bull. It's okay though because he's seven. He's not afraid of his dog. I played with the dog for awhile and we rolled around on the patio. He's a sweet dog.

    I pity the people who desperately want a law for everything. They must live in such horribly debilitating fear.
     

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