>>MOD WARNING<< Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Dead

Non sequitur.

Well, let's see--you have your input into what the country does but you have no say in what I do.

Your country does a lot of bossing people and countries around, so you shouldn't be surprised people in other countries comment. Besides, there's no reason not to express opinions.

 

More people should have more voice than fewer people. That is democracy. The electoral college is anti-democratic. Now, if you like that, great. I don't.

 

Yes, because of the anti-democratic electoral college. I understand the mechanism. I don't like it because it's anti-democratic.

 

The electoral college is perfectly democratic. It gives voices to those who would otherwise have none.

 

I get it. Let's have an election to see who the people want to lead the country and then give the job to the person who gets fewer votes. Yep. That is a great system.

 

The first part is fact; the second part is opinion.

 

Has there been an election where the Democrat won the EC but not the popular vote?

 

And that is my point. It is an anti-democratic mechanism. And, it has been over 150 years since the state legislatures choose the electors so while it may be possible in some states, from a practical point, it doesn't happen. And if it did, it would make the process even more anti-democratic.

 

It’s not anti democratic at all. It makes perfect sense and gives voices to those who otherwise would have none.

 

You mean: "being anti-democratic is a bad thing?"

 

Aren't you suggesting that Democrats LET her stay because they thought that Clinton was going to win? If dems approached her about retiring during Obama's presidency, that's hardly LETTING her stay on, or encouraging her to stay on.

 

Don't forget the mandatory helmet.

 

No, you don't like it because it makes it tougher for your side to win. The founding fathers developed the system to make sure everyone has representation, not just a few heavily populated areas. I live in one of those heavily populated areas and I think it's a great system. Liberals only want what helps them gain and hold power at the time. That's how the courts became a battleground. Liberals packed them and steered all their pet issue cases towards friendly judges.

 

We don’t have a democracy and for damn good reasons. The founders were against pure democracy because it is one of the single most dangerous systems available.

 

Are you under the impression the founders didn’t consider straight democracy? Why do you think they didn’t choose it? Were they just stupid and you know better?

 

They included the electoral college because they didn't think voters would have the information and intelligence to choose wisely and wanted a layer of more knowledgeable people to correct poor decision making by the electorate. They were learned men who weren't perfect.

 

The founding fathers did not develop the electoral college to make sure everyone has representation. Liberals don't like the electoral college because it is anti-democratic. The courts have always been a battleground because judges are simply politicians in robes. Both sides have contorted the Constitution in legal opinions for their "pet cases."

 

More people should have more voice than fewer people. This really isn't hard to understand if you think about it for a moment.

 

LOL. Pointing out we have a Constitution preventing you getting what you want is not non sequitur. Pointing out the content of the Constitution is well thought out and exists for a reason is not non sequitur. Strong analogy is not non sequitur. Three strikes, you’re out.

Please provide the quote of me telling you what to do.

The EC doesn’t boss other countries around. I already made the point we should leave others alone.

I’ve never been on a golf course. Never played the game. I’m intelligent enough to to understand my advice for Collin Morikawa to throw his drivers away and replace them with putters is illogical. Same goes for someone who has no understanding of statehood and state residency and all it entails giving advice on what the US “should” do in relation to the EC.[/QUOTE]

 

More people should have more "voice" than fewer people. The Republican party often controls branches of government despite representing fewer voters. That is anti-democratic.

 

Very good point. I agree sides would change their stance. My stance has nothing to do with which “side” it may or may not help win. It’s simply based on the fact if the EC goes away, the Union goes away. I guess we all can have that conversation, but we should be honest about wanting to dissolve the Union, not hide behind catch words like “democracy” or “fairness”.

 

Actually that’s not why. It’s a smaller reason why. And are you saying they were wrong in their assessment?

 

I agree completely. I live in an urban area and I love the EC.

I don't want our union to break up. I want us to ignore the fringe from all sides, and start working together, against our real enemy; the clowns in DC.

The EC has no chance of going away. Zip. Nada. It's a moot point, anyway.

 

First off, I doubt anyone could have told Ginsburg to retire. Apparently Ginsburg was in denial about her health. She was battling cancer for many years. She was first diagnosed with early stage pancreatic cancer in 2009. She had no symptoms of the disease at the time – it was discovered during a regular checkup. So who knows exactly how long she had the cancer is anyones guess. But they did know in 2009. And everyone knows pancreatic cancer is a death warrant for most. Obama took office the same year the cancer was found. Ginsburg had 8 years to step down and let Obama select someone who could replace her. That's not going to happen now unless Biden wins. Democrats better hope their base and undeciders vote. The democratic party will be in dire straits if Trump wins. This could have been avoided if Ginsburg had stepped down during Obama's presidency.

 

I assume that you mean her replacement won't be nominated by a Democrat unless Biden wins. Although, you would be wrong. Do you think that Republicans aren't moving ahead? Trump is set to announce a nominee on Saturday.