More evidence hydroxychloroquine works

Several misconceptions here. Oh boy.

Remdesivir reduces the severity of the illness by 30%... even though it doesn't eliminate the virus, it is one of the ONLY two treatments so far that have achieved positive results in RCTs, the other one being dexamethasone. Reducing severity by 30% is often the difference between life and death. Yes, remdesivir while not being a cure, makes a difference.

You are talking about cytokine storms. The way to treat them is with methylprednisolone or dexamethasone. Budesonide: nope. Interesting but so far, no evidence.

Here:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhal...ence-for-treatment-or-prevention-of-covid-19/

The cytokine storm is ONE of the main mechanisms for the virus to kill, but not the only one. The endothelial lesions that damage the kidneys, the heart muscle, and the lungs (with fluid flooding), and causes massive pulmonary embolism and strokes are also very much responsible for many deaths. Those are directly caused by the virus, not just the cytokine storm. But of course, you have to try and prevent both, which is why enoxaparin is also part of the protocol, since both are fatal.

HCQ does NOT help. It's been extensively tried in the cytokine storm phase as well and didn't cause any improvement whatsoever. Much the opposite, given that by then there is typically myocarditis too, and given that HCQ (and AZ too, for that matter) prolong the QTc which is a disaster when the QTc is already long due to the myocarditis, HCQ has been killing the severe patients with advanced disease faster than those who don't receive HCQ.

Z-Pack: also prolongs QTc. Has been tested in RCTs as well. No big advantage (in one of them it showed a modest 7% improvement), but it is true that it does have an anti-inflammatory effect in the lungs. But not sufficient. That's why you need methylprednisolone or dexamethasone. On the other hand it does modulate immune response by downregulating IL-6, and it does treat concomitant bacterial pneumonia, so it does have a role in the most recent and most advanced protocols. It used to be that protocols had HCQ + AZ. Now they have dumped HCQ but have kept AZ.

The virus is NOT mutating daily. Where the hell did you get this absurd piece of information? There's been a few minor mutations, some 8 strains last I checked (maybe a bit more, now), neither one significant enough, so far, to disrupt the vaccine process too badly. Neither one increased lethality. One of them seems to have increased the R0 number. Sure, I hope it doesn't mutate more, but so far, so good.

Vaccines don't need to "kill" the virus to work. They can work by simply disrupting infectiousness. The way the mRNA vaccines work, is that they teach the host's human cells to produce fragments of the viral S-protein, which is what forms the spikes in the crown of the virus (thus the name coronavirus or virus with a crown). These spikes have been called the Achiles Heel of the virus because they are needed to infect the host cells and are more fragile than the internal core of the virus that harbors the infectious genetic material. So, the vaccine by producing "not self" S-protein fragments, induces the making of IgG and IgM antibodies against the S-proteins, so that when the virus gets in, the S-proteins are broken down and the virus can't invade the cells to replicate inside the cells. A vaccine is not a virucide. You seem to misunderstand what a vaccine is and does.

If the upcoming COVID-19 vaccines do the same that the flu shots do, that is, dampen the disease sufficiently to avoid death and permanently damaged organs, even if the vaccine doesn't prevent the infection itself, the vaccine will have fulfilled its promise.

Big pharma and HCQ: you are thoroughly mistaken when you think that Big Pharma doesn't profit from the HCQ myth. The fact that it is cheap and generic in the United States is not all. Big pharma operates in a world-wide market, not just here. In most African countries, a supply of HCQ for malaria used to cost the equivalent of $5. Now, with the MYTH that it helps for COVID-19 (newsflash: it doesn't), the prices jumped to $95. That's 19 times more. Much the opposite, LOTS of pharma companies love the hype with HCQ because unlike remdesivir that is under patent and will only benefit Gilead Sciences, HCQ has a long expired patent and can be made as generic and sold to the gullible folks in Africa and South America for 20 times more than the previous prices. In your place I'd be a lot more suspicious of the HCQ hype regarding the pharmaceutical industry, than of remdesivir, which unlike HCQ did show advantages in randomized clinical trials, and only benefits one of the multiple pharma companies out there.

I'd rather pay more for something that works (like remdesivir), than pay less for crap (like HCQ).

You probably will "live to talk about it" since COVID-19 doesn't kill more than 0.65% of all infected people, under the current best estimate of the infection fatality rate. But it won't be because you'll be taking Z-pack and Budesonide.

Now, if you do get seriously ill, do rush to a hospital, and preferably one that is practicing the MATH+ protocol which has been shown to dramatically increase the rate of recovery for serious cases. If you want a copy of the protocol to give to your attending physician, you can find it here, publicly diffused free of charge by the Eastern Virginia Medical School Department of Pulmonary Medicine and Critical Care:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_pub...cine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

This complete protocol will save you a lot better than your notions above indicate. From how you've formulated your notions (especially with the telling misunderstanding of what a vaccine is and does), it is clear that you're not a specialist in infectious diseases and critical care. In your place, I'd leave it up to the specialists.

 

Here is the reply I gave this post on another thread

 

Fabulous. You said in a few phrases (or almost), what my verbose self said in a mountain of text.
And your correlation and causation graph is phenomenal; I downloaded it for future use.
Well done, ma'am!
So, this completely misguided OP was used in other threads too?
It's incredible how our country is shooting itself in the foot with all these misguided notions and politically-motivated spin.
I'm appalled. In another thread, someone was saying (seriously, not sarcastically) that masks are what is causing the current spike in cases... can you believe it???

 

Your post are interesting but in a debate setting amount to Gish Gallop even though I don't believe that's your intention.
My numbers were sourced although they are outdated. Current numbers still show those high malaria numbers lower than America so it is of interest.

 

Lots of speculation there

 

So you admit that the initial claims of this thread were lies.

 

How about the same as Trumps hopes to gain by switching the reporting from the CDC to HHS.

 

i have ZERO faith in medical reporting from these nations.

 

India only has 5,480 cases of Covid???

LOL!!!!

yeah, maybe in early April!!!

thread......dead.

 

Now would you like a list of experts who dispute the efficacy of Hydrochloriquine with the information we have at this point? It is a really long list.

 

If you're not afraid of her listen quick, while you still can on Voicetv Nigeria.

My physician says if I develop symptoms, he will treat me for malaria.

 

Why would you thank him before fact checking the link? The actual numbers of infections and deaths that these countries have reported is more than 10x higher than what his link was claiming.

 

"More evidence hydroxychloroquine works"

if it worked, Trump would be taking it.. he is not, nor is his staff or the Republicans in Congress... WHY?

 

didnt she email me telling me if I send her $5,000 she will let me in on a $1.5 million jackpot?

LOL!!!!

 

Dude...your numbers are so far off from accurate.

 

when Conservatives post garbage like this, its REALLY easy to debunk their claims.

keep it coming, we love softballs.

 

There have been discussions here about the US over-reporting cases (allegedly for extra funding) so are our numbers any more factual? Are there certain countries for which you trust the data reported?

 

I did read the link. Where do I find information that indicates these number are inaccurate? I'm trying to learn and catch up here but it's quite a bit of information (which I don't mind reading, but may, admittedly, not know how to decipher yet).

 

North America, Europe, much of South America, the Middle East, eastern Asia.

I trust their numbers.

 

your numbers are from early April bro!!!!

India has now has 1.3 million Covid cases and tens of thousands of reported deaths.

get with the program!!!

 

It's been an effective drug for decades

 

Google "Number of Covid deaths in Pakistan," or India or any of the others on the list - either the link is using really outdated
information, or it's just a flat-out lie.

 

Huh? Program of lies?


Coronavirus (COVID-19) statistics
INDIA CASES
Updated Jul 29 at 6:11 AM local
Confirmed
1,557,382
+59,803
Deaths
34,459
+876
Recovered
998,131
+38,514

 

That move doesn't look disingenuous at all. Yikes.

 

Current numbers are still remarkably low compared to the US


Coronavirus (COVID-19) statistics
INDIA CASES
Updated Jul 29 at 6:11 AM local
Confirmed
1,557,382
+59,803
Deaths
34,459
+876
Recovered
998,131
+38,514



UNITED STATES CASES
Updated Jul 29 at 6:11 AM local
Confirmed
4,429,636
+53,583
Deaths
151,462
+1,199
Recovered
2,162,356
+849,735