NRA saved lives in Texas

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    What does that have to do with pretending a temporary restraining order is confiscation?
     
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    How does an LEO get this type of expert diagnosis? How does the LEO know anything about the victim? What about all of the other methods of suicide and homicide? Can the state confiscate those, too, or just the guns?
     
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    Do officers of the state come and take the guns away?
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully yes if a family member, an officer of the state and a judge all agree that the posession of a gun is a danger either to the person posessing the gun or to other people. Hardly an example of the state confiscating a gun without a good reason. And the confiscation only last 21 days until a court hearing.
     
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    Then it's confiscation. If the victim doesn't have all other means of suicide or homicide also taken away, then it isn't about suicide or homicide, it's about guns.
     
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    Of course it about guns and not just guns as a method of suicide but guns that are a danger to others.
     
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    None of these people are professionally competent to ascertain mental health with regards to danger.
     
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    But nothing is done to take away ropes, knives or bedsheets.
     
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    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/3/andrew-cuomo-sued-by-veteran-after-insomnia-treatm/

    A U.S. Navy veteran and retired police detective is suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other state officials for confiscating his gun permit and four handguns after he voluntarily sought medical treatment for insomnia.

    In a lawsuit filed Dec. 17 in a U.S. District Court in Rochester, N.Y., Donald Montgomery claimed his constitutional rights were violated by the state’s SAFE Act — a law Mr. Cuomo signed in Jan. 2013 that is considered one of the toughest gun laws in the country, the Daily Caller reported Friday.

    Mr. Montgomery sought treatment for insomnia on May 6, shortly after he and his wife moved to N.Y. from another state to be closer to family. The stressful move involved the purchase of a new home and selling an old one, hundreds of miles away, according to Mr. Montgomery’s complaint.

    Several days after his first doctor’s visit, Mr. Montgomery went to the emergency room at Eastern Long Island Hospital, still suffering from insomnia. He was diagnosed with depression and insomnia, prescribed medication and told to follow up with a doctor if symptoms did not improve, The Daily Caller reported.

    On May 23, Mr. Montgomery was back in the doctor’s office with the same complaint and was monitored at the facility for 48 hours.

    Now Mr. Montgomery is alleging in the suit that hospital staff mistakenly listed him as an involuntarily admitted patient, which triggered a portion of the SAFE Act that requires health professionals to report individuals who are deemed threats to themselves or to others according to mental health directors, the Daily Caller reported.

    That notification is then reported to the department of criminal justice services.

    But Mr. Montgomery’s suit claims that there is no documentation that he was diagnosed with mental health issues.

    He was labeled as “mildly depressed,” but “insight, judgment, and impulse control are good,” the assessment reads, The Daily Caller reported.

    Four days after leaving the hospital, New York State police informed the Suffolk County clerk’s office that Mr. Montgomery had been determined to be a mental defective and was prohibited from owning any firearms.

    Mr. Montgomery received a call the next day notifying him that his guns would be confiscated and on May 30, officials from the county sheriff’s department came to his house and took his gun license and four handguns, two of which he had earned during his 30-years of police service.

    In June Mr. Montgomery was told by the sheriff’s department that his pistol license had been suspended and by September he was notified that the permit had been terminated.

    Mr. Montgomery is now alleging that the state violated his Second, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment protections and the the hospital violated his privacy by sharing his medical information with police.

    He demands the judge strike down the Mental Hygiene Law under the SAFE Act and the state issue a new law to require written notice for all individuals whose health information has been shared with police under the state law, The Daily Caller reported.
     
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    Said the totalitarian. Are you REALLY so blind that you think that capacity restrictions don't "target responsible gun owners"?? REALLY??

    Laws which place punitive, arbitrary, and capricious restrictions upon the rights of honest citizens are totalitarianism, plain and simple. That's not "paranoia"; it's simple fact.
     
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    Sure they are. They can be presented evidence of medical records that show a history of mental illness
     
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    Sorry but laws that actually benefit society are not totalitarian. Capacity restrictions cause responsible gun owners no damage.
     
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    And all that proves that you cannot site the actual law. Thanks for trying though.
     
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    assuming facts not in evidence. you are not being truthful capacity limitations are arbitrary, stupid and handicap honest citizens in the face of criminal attack.
     
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    But they save lives
     
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    no evidence of that. there is as much evidence that they disarm honest people and cause crime to increase.
     
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    Tons of evidence. Your plan would just increase the bloodbath
     
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    well that is not true because gun deaths are going down. you are not telling the truth
     
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    Your plan would increase them dramatically
     
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    like most of your claims-=you just make that up. Its dishonest and silly
     
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    Cite your evidence. I will wait. Lol
     
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    How would his plan increase gun deaths? His plan is for no further restrictions and enforcing laws that are not being enforced. The trend is fewer gun deaths each year. Why would all of the sudden his plan cause more gun deaths?
     
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    WRONG. Capacity restrictions do NOTHING to make anyone safer, and undermine self-defense rights! Do you have even an inkling of comprehension of what a RIGHT is???
     
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    His plan is to loosen gun laws. Everywhere that happens gun deaths go up
     
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    What specific existing gun law does he want to loosen that would cause gun deaths to rise? All I see is him calling for rigorous enforcement of laws already on the books.
     
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