Pfizer vaccine is junk nor tested for safety otherwise

Nope. I take it you got your info from fakebook. As in "click here and see on the site of Pfizer and bla bla bla". Such crap zooms around fakebook. Just like that so called idea that Mullis invented PCR tests that supposedly do not work, while the guy was DEAD before covid appeared. And so he never could have invented the PCR test.

And even though you lot -you are far from alone on this- understand that a dead person can't invent something past the day they died, it still hasn't stopped you and people like you to mistrust the entire article about PCR test. You lot go like, fine he's dead, but the PCR test is still fake since I read that on fakebook.

And you call that... "I did my research on the subject" as if you're a scientist or something.

 

You mean a time machine, right? That they secretly have a time machine so they can determine the long term potential adverse effects?
What they improved is their collection of professional expert who go on TV and lie, as the creator of the covid-19 test explained. People are sheep in his view who can not understand science, so it is easy for skilled liars to convince them of anything.

 

I'm not a Facebook addict like most but that clearly is your science source.

I found the Pfizer website by entering these terms into a Google these exact search words: "pfizer covid-19 vaccine clinical trial protocol."

So now you should go back to your Facebook pals for the next insults to post against me while posting on your Facebook page the vital info about what you had for dinner last night.

Do you need for me to explain what "clinical trial protocol" means? Oh, right, you can find that on Facebook. It is certain your science experts are your Facebook pals because a simple Google search of "who invented PCR test" shows who invented the test. That is SO WELL KNOWN that clearly Facebook pals are your scientists.

Do you have the integrity to search who created the covid-19 test and post what you find? Of course not

I am not a scientist. I am authorized and approved by the DHS to receive, store, process and ship biohazards such as viruses as the safety officer for a company - which is an authorization about as easy as pulling teeth from a Bengal Tiger. You didn't even read the Pfizer site because it is beyond your and most people's comprehension. They just chant slogans they are told on Facebook and TV.

 

All vaccines, indeed all medications, take time to take effect. There is absolutely nothing surprising or concerning about this fact. Why did you bring it up all of a sudden?

It provides a list of the ingredients, which is one of the things you suggested they hadn't revealed, and does make reference to caution around patients vulnerable to severe allergic reactions. My general point is that more information has been made available to the people who need (and are capable of understanding) it, just not all in the press release you referenced.

Maybe you need to find better sources of news then . I'm in the UK but that point has been made perfectly clear in all the reports I've seen and Americans I've seen discussing it appear to be aware of it too. You were clearly aware somehow, because you directly referred to that fact several times in the thread.

Maybe that is because you've used a scatter-gun approach to your points, claims and complaints (many of which are outright wrong) and that makes it very difficult to tie down what you're actually trying to say.
If you care about more than just presenting a negative attitude and asserting that the entire thing is a hoax, you could try reading more than just one press release, try to actually understand what you're reading and construct your questions and concerns with more detail and clarity.

 

There are hundreds of known novel corona virus. Nearly all do not harm humans. The Wuhan lab that Dr. Fauci supported making legal searches for ways to make them lethal to humans.
Whether a person tests positive or negative for "covid-19" actually detects any novel corona virus that everyone has in their bodies.

Whether a person tests positive is only a question of how many novel corona virus in their body and how many times the duplicate the test sample. Everyone will show negative with 20 duplications. Everyone will show positive with 50 duplications. The practice is generally between 32 and 37 duplications. At 32 there will be few. At 37 their will be more. A mass economic or virtual eradication can be declared on testing merely by how many duplications of the sample are done in testing.

No one is stupid for not understanding any of this. What is stupid is listening to Anthony Fauci - who the test created described as nothing but a professional liar and who endlessly contradicts himself as he is paid to say - and to Chris Cuomo on CNN - and then rushing to Facebook and the forum as if now experts reciting the propaganda they were told.

 

Covid-19 is a novel corona virus. It was likely made in gain-of-function research, but regardless it is just another novel corona virus. Most are not harmful to humans. But every year novel corona virus kill tens of thousands of Americans and people across the world. Usually the lungs are affected but can be other parts of the body. There is a close relationship to the great killer pneumonia - a virus - and often go hand in hand.

The HOAX is not that covid-19 exists. The hoax is that it is some massively lethal pandemic disease that a quick vaccine can be whipped up to stop. It's just the next lethal novel corona virus. The hoax is the bogus testing method that can show as many or as few people infected as wanted. The purpose of the hoax is profit and power of those promoting it.

 

The government granted immunity from liability to the vaccine manufacturers in 1986 when Reagan was president.

Most people prefer to sweep that fact under the rug because it threatens their perception of the high priests of the Medical Industrial Complex.

 

If that were true, your chosen approach to discussing it, with the wild scatter-gun of empty assertions, blind accusations and misinformation (intentional or not) isn't going to help anyone. If you truly believe there is such a grand hoax being committed against the entire population of the world, you'd have a moral responsibility to address it seriously and professionally. Or you could keep on ranting and keep on being dismissed as an irrelevance, which wouldn't help anyone regardless of the truth.

 

.5% real risk reduction, in young healthy people.
Hundreds needed to treat to prevent one mild case.
Yay! Give them Billion$ for their effort.

 

I quoted you again because I want to make it clear I do not dispute YOUR decision and when facing morbidities my opinion is everything is your decision because you are who live the consequences.
A personal story relevant to this. Many many years ago I briefly was a union steward in a meat packing plant. One area I worked it saw so steamy visibility was only a few feet. This including a huge metal vat for eating meat off meat hooks with a green liquid. Exploring what this is by the drums, this was exorbitantly illegal. Even on the warning labels, each said they cause cancer, wear remote air source masks if enclosed and never mix with anything else - which they did. A steamy vat of cancer death.

In a showdown with the company I ended this years old practice. Soon I took another job for many reasons including dangers. I am highly knowledgeable in chemicals. The facility shut down permanently months after I left. But then I had reported them to the government.
Over the next few years, 100% of employees in that department died of cancer or suicide for the cancer. A horrifically painful, quick cancer. So painful many died of gunshot suicide. All had gone thru the medically accepted practices of surgery, chemo and radiation - which really was just torture for profit as the cancer is known to be incurable and a fast killer.
Then my turn came. The same external appearance of the tumor. A death sentence, or was it? I rejected the "medical science" the others and nearly all follow. In addition to changing my diet and trying some this and that alternative methods, my approach was chemical on the theory that the human body is very flexible in terms of body chemistry - while most cancerous tumors are not. So I undertook to radically alter the chemistry of my body significantly and in ways of some significant effects, but not permanently harmful. Some of this was by chemicals and some by "drugs." For example, I took significant levels of estrogen as a chemical alternation - and far more than females have or for birth control.
Years later? I ceased those activities long ago. I still have the tumor "bump" - which never changes size, meaning the tumor is "dead" in terms of being a cancer. Just a non-malignant non-growing mass I'll always have.
I would never pretend there was reason to try to convince anyone of anything about what I did because I'm not a scientist, not a doctor and there would be no reason for anyone to believe me.

The point? YOU do whatever YOU think you should do. It's your life. It's your gamble. It's your risk. But I'm going to gamble the other way - and think I equally have a right to do so without punishment or being forced to. That means no mask (like all experts initially said) and no vaccine. The odds of covid-19 killing me or mine are maybe a million to one. I address viruses chemically, not by drugs. But then I have my ways, just like you have your choices.

 

The vaccines are a placebo, but a necessary one as a way to end the TERROR created for power and profit for and by the plutocrats and kleptocrats in a 24/7 nearly year old bioterrorist campaign.
That campaign has mostly completely obtained the goals:
1. Establish government has total power of people that fiats the Constitution and Bill of Rights
2. Slaughter the merchant middle class permanently, shifting a huge portion of their wealth and power to the plutocrats
3. Justify censorship - then expand it to political censorship
4. Increase dependency on the government
5. Eliminate Trump

While a person can dispute these were deliberate goals, no one can dispute that has been the effect.
But how do they stop the terror campaign before the economy is completely obliterated? Answer: A miracle vaccination(s). Since all claim they don't work for at least 5% of the population, it could never be demonstrated it is not effective.

The future? Biden and officials will do one more lockdown while distributing the vaccine. 90 days later they will declare the vaccines have mostly eliminated the terror novel corona virus called covid-19 - though they can resurrect it or declare a new novel corona virus terror if there is profit, power and/or political purpose.

What the USA was is forever gone.

 

Second response. I/we very much have addressed it seriously to those of our own circle who would listen. Covid-19 exists like all other novel corona viruses. Like the cold or flu it will hit most people sooner or later. They can take a flu vaccine if they want - but I don't and don't encourage it. Other vaccines I do encourage as time has proven they work and without serious long term effects.

We also provided chemicals for a counter study group - totally censored - for which not one person of 20,000 became infected or died. But so what? The only value was for ourselves. There are many different types of underground movements in the USA of various sizes and legitimacy. I am NOT a Qanoner and openly will say I explored some of their claims and 100% were outright absurd lies.

I do suggest NOT wearing a mask to reduce risk of infection - as every expert in the world urged for decades and every study supported - until this became political, power and profit motivated and then all the paid and allowed TV experts said the opposite, like Fauci, literally discrediting himself by doing so. I urge people to get outdoors into fresh air and sunlight and to well ventilate their homes. I have always urged the elderly and highly at risk avoid crowds during flu season or when virus is going around. But that all is a different topic.

As for the general public? There are HUNDREDS - if not more - of truly qualified experts furiously attempting to shoot down the falsities - but they are banned and censored. No, I'm not talking about kooky people nor people like me - but recognized top experts in the world. You are aware that Fauci refused to debate any of those experts publicly before experts or at a university, aren't you? He refused to debate the creator of the test used - who claimed Fauci is nothing but a paid professional liar they put on TV to tell whatever lies he is paid to tell.

Censorship means most people can't even ever hear any opposing opinion, even if Nobel Peace prize winners and top virus researchers in the world. So it doesn't matter what they know or say, just like it wouldn't matter what I say. The accepted response to opposing opinions is censorship and sneering personal attacks.

"Resistance is futile" is a new American social and institutional reality. If you disagree with anything the plutocrats tell you on their TV, newspapers and Internet? Well, that just means you are an evil conspiracy kook to be ridiculed, hated, censored and punished - no discussion otherwise allowed.

 

When it is available, I may take the Oxford vaccine. No way I am taking that Pfizer one. Not gonna happen.

 

If taking a vaccine (I won't), I agree the Oxford vaccine is a better choice.

A real problem with the Pfizer vaccine is that it must be continuously kept at -95 degrees. There is NO established network for repeated storage and transporting to assure it never rises above -95 degrees. So even if the facility administering the Pfizer vaccine has such cold storage methods, even they have NO way to know if the vaccine is still viable.

There is no way to even know if somewhere along the many steps of storage and delivery it was destroyed by being allowed to rise above -95. That would mean every vaccine they inject could be literally 100% worthless with NO way to know this even if otherwise it is a good vaccination.

Do you really think if some employee somewhere along the line screwed up and the storage temperature rose to only -70 would know this happened - or admit s/he had destroyed 5 million doses? Of course not. So 5 million people would get a worthless dead vaccine - never knowing it. If they then get covid-19 it would be explained that person is one of the 1 in 20 people it doesn't work for.

 

You have some anti vaxers helping you move up in line.

 

Curious? It's estimated that like 30 million people got AIDS. Amount of people who had/have covid is like 70 million.
The amount of vaccins people want is BILLIONS. It's like 10 to 15 bucks a pop. You need 2 of them. So you know...

It's about the freaking money.


That... and it's "just" covid. We know covid. Covid is a group of mutating viruses.
MERS belongs to that group. We know how it ticks.

So it's even easy money.


And a new type of vaccins against influenza are made every year as well to counter the latest mutation.
People take them over and over. Easy money.

And so there is nothing new that this goes this fast.
It's just as fast as the influenza vaccin.

 

In fact a now dead man had invented the PCR test - but then you have no clue what a PCR test is.

Why not just admit the Pfizer material is so far over you head you didn't even try to read it. When people have no clue what to say to someone who isn't mindlessly chanting some slogan as you do they rant, sneer and make personal attacks.

I don't work on a truck. I am the person authorized to order, have, store, process, uses and ship biohazards and chemical hazardous materials, supervise and train any employee who does. There are 9 feet thick of materials on such topics uniquely written by me. I also am who interacts with the DHS and FBI, leading to domestic terrorist convictions and the reason a couple of wannabes were chemically flash burned to death falling for our baiting website. You? You have no clue what the Pfizer statement means no different than if it is written in Chinese.

I am knowledgeable in biohazards but my expertise is about chemicals. The facilities has chemicals that could level our small city.

You "read the FDA." LOL
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The most interesting event was a deliberate explosion to test the threshold for a new chemical manufacturing process I had been working on for years. For safety only I was present and at a storage facility of no dangerous materials - moving the small experimental refining system outdoors - about 30 by 20 feet in size. The resulting explosion produced such a boom and steam cloud it had the fire department, sheriffs department and area hazmat response team rushing to the scene.
Probably most can not grasp that blowing up a refining system would result in "Finally! Sucess!" It took years to perfect. The company is now the highest volume manufacturer of that chemical solution in the world.
VERY few people can ever think outside the box. TV tells them what to wear, think, say, do, controls their emotions - everything. They live just putting one foot in front of the other as told their entire life. Salt of the earth people, the common man.

 

So, you got from my post I was suggesting Pfizer was lying? Interesting interpretation. I found it interesting that I was hospitalized by a Hoax earlier this year. Wow, is there a vaccine for a Hoax?

 

Pneumonia is not a hoax nor are novel corona viruses. The hoax is the claimed level of deaths by covid-19. Infection stats of themselves are meaningless even if accurately determined. Pneumonia is a major killer, mostly of the elderly, often in relation to other medical issues. Maybe you also had a novel corona virus. If so, maybe it was SARS/covid 2 (covid 19). Apparently you are claiming you were tested for a novel corona virus (that everyone has in their body but most are not harmful, lethally harmful or their immune system already learned how to defeat it from growing out of control) and there was enough in your body and was duplicated enough times to be indicated. If so, maybe it was SARS/covid 2. Maybe another novel corona virus. There are hundreds that have been identified. In this decade, 3 new ones that adversely affect humans, the most recent is SARS/covid 2. So you may well have had a serious infection, worsened by your age and having the pneumonia virus. Or the other way around.

The assertion that if a person gets sick and a virus infection is indicated by either symptoms or testing does NOT mean it was covid-19, even if a novel corona virus. However, now most people seem to think the only lethal viral infection MUST be covid-19 - and that is EXACTLY what they want you to believe. Nor is it a matter of whether a person is infected by covid-19 or other novel corona virus but by how many - and the ability of your body to defeat it before it kills you. The more you have and weaker your immune system is, the lower the survival rate. The survival rate of children is virtually 100%.

The first pneumococcal vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1977. The first conjugate pneumococcal vaccine was licensed in 2000. Maybe you should have gotten those. My wife does as for some reason she was highly susceptible ever since her childhood. I have never had pneumonia nor the vaccination. She had a severe negative reaction to the shingles vaccination. I declined on it. The only vaccination I can recall ever having is for tetanus and more than once. If I had any others it would have been before age 5 so I don't remember. I did not go thru any normal schooling so would not have gone thru school required vaccinations.

Glad you recovered. Did they put you on a ventilator?

 

This is all predicated on your claim of a conspiracy of the entire field of science based medicine in the US and around the entire world.

And, you say NOTHING in support of even just the possibility of that existing - let alone the reason that could possibly corrupt every doctor and every epidemiologist in the world.

Do you think they all invested in mask futures? Or, what?

Because, when I look at this I have a hard time deciding whether to laugh at this craziness or pray for America to WAKE UP and stop being such SUCKERS for crap like this.

 

@JakeJ
Jesus, where do I start? I'm not sure if I even have the appetite to counter so much misinformation... but at least a few points.
1. We know perfectly well what the methodology (platform) is. Consult my thread The State of the Vaccines if you want to learn about it.
2. Yes, we only have safety data for 2 months because THERE IS A FREAKING PANDEMIC GOING ON!!! That's why it's an EMERGENCY use authorization. Full authorization will only be granted with longer time of observation.
3. There is no unethical issue here. The people who enrolled knew perfectly well that they would be given either a vaccine or a placebo, 50%. But the alternative for them was 100% odds of NOT getting a vaccine because none was approved outside of a trial, so, at least they had the 50% odds of getting it. And that's the only way to do this. If you don't like it, then you'd have to live in a world with NO vaccines. Maybe that's what you prefer. I don't.
4. Nobody tried to infect people. They went about their lives. This is not what is called a Human Challenge.
5. 22,000 active subjects + 22,000 placebo: standard size for a phase 3 trial. Literally all medicines and vaccines in the market have had similar numbers.
6. What tests you wanted? We follow people up. If adverse reactions happen, then we investigate them. Again, that's how it's been done.
7. The people who didn't catch Covid-19 in the trial are not IMMUNE to it like you said. They just didn't catch it. Maybe they were careful. If they volunteered for a vaccine trial, chances are that they are more in tune with this and more careful than the deniers and hoax peddlers.
8. Are adverse reactions, long-term, possible? They sure are. Phase 4 or post-marketing can always have surprises. But that's true for ALL medicines and vaccines.
9. Difference in speed: mRNA vaccines are MUCH faster to develop and manufacture than the older platforms. And this is not coming out of the blue. mRNA vaccines were already being studied for cancer, and there was an attempt for the first SARS. As usual, science builds up from other previous steps. While it was extraordinary that we were able to do it so fast, there is nothing nefarious or impossible in this speed. Once this pioneering work is complete, do expect future vaccines to be faster, too. What you are saying is equivalent to saying "I can't believe a car can go today 100 miles per hour because previous horse-drawn carriages could only go 10 miles per hour." So, yes, vaccines used to need longer development time. Now, they don't.
10. This vaccine is a placebo??? Look, this vaccine is one of the most effective ever designed. Obviously you don't know very well how to calculate its effectiveness. The calculation stems from a comparison between active arm and placebo arm, not a comparison to the entire group in terms of the number of Covid-19 cases in the entire group. 95% is way better than the usual flu shot (between 20% in worst years and 80% - rarely - in best years, usually hovering around 40% to 50%). We are very fortunate that the Covid-19 vaccines turned out to be more effective than our best hopes. But for it to be efficacious too, people need to take it, and posts like yours will discourage people from taking it, and are a disservice to public health. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you doing this?
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Both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines are outstanding successes of modern science.
You don't want to take them? Be my guest, don't. But don't spread misinformation trying to bring them down.
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@modernpaladin - this virus is not manmade. The genomic sequence shows it. By the way, what a lousy choice for a biological weapon, a virus that kills 0.65% of people infected... when the Wuhan Virology lab does research with far more dangerous viruses. The idea that this virus is manmade is a conspiracy theory, and as such, it's perfectly fine to post about it, but please do it over there in the Conspiracy Theory subforum, like the Admin of this site requests.

 

I would not take the Pfizer vaccine, because it does not exist.
But I happily take bioNtech's vaccine.
Just for starters..
21,000 people world wide have received the shots, without any major complications.
Longterm effects of the vaccine unknown. But since all the ingrediency of the vaccine are well known, even as cocktails, I don't think there will be a problem.
The mRNA will be out of the body in one day, left over are trained memory T cells, which only respond to the protein of the virus outer shell.
Could be a long term problem or not. I don't think so
Previous vaccines have used in active viruses as carriers, ore benign viruses.

Why has vaccine development been so slow, 3-4 years and more ore scratched ?

Money.

The development and research and than the testing and than the continuing monitoring costs hundreds of millions of dollar. The bean counters get a cold sweat, when they see the amounts.

This time, nobody cared what it cost, just deliver the juice and get it through the testing Phases and than present your results and we work overtime to review them.

BioNtech started in January and used the technology, with which they had allready developed candidates for cancer vaccines, some in Phase 1 and some in Phase 2, same for Curevac, same for Moderna.
With C19 they die not have to beg for money from their investors, could we have 2 or 3 millions more.
Nope, they got 100s of millions, could hire more scientists, not 5 guys working but 100 and more.
It is Phase 1, 2 and 3 which take so much time, years, because of funding.
Germany spent 1.5 billion Dollars, invested, into those vaccine programs.
Never happened before. Its Pharma Lab companies are delivering, because they have money, flooded, flush

This juice will be alright, Made in Germany, same for Moderna, Made in the USA. The rest, oooooooohhhhh wellllllll

 

Yes, I was on a ventilator. And it was the first year I got the pneumonia vaccine.
What I am often amazed by is conspiracy theorist forwarding narratives of the complicity of huge numbers of people in the Government, private industry, and in this case the scientific and medical community to sustain a narrative. I provided political, management and technology consulting to government clients for over 40 years, and two things government are demonstrably dad at doing is keeping secrets and coordinating anything beyond 1 person. So, inherent in you proffered narrative is two highly coordinated secret conspiracies, first, that the COVID Vvirus was a hoax and second a conspiracy surrounding the Pfizer vaccine... both managed by who? The Q?
As for reactions to vaccines, a certain percentage of people receiving any vaccine have allergic reactions meaning vaccines are never truly 100% safe nor 100% effective. The US has some of the most strict requirements for approving meds in general much less vaccines for public use in the world. Are we to suppose the conspiracy extends to compromise the approval process and no one raised alarm? As I mentioned penicillin, a miraculous antibiotic discovery has save countless lives, but it has also caused deaths from allergic reactions to it....still does. Should it’s use be terminated?
I have likely receive more vaccines than much of the general population, first the batteries I had coming to the US and then the batteries I had prior to working each time I went to work in the Amazon and upon returning. I have never had a reaction, but then that’s me. But, I knew the risks and chose the lessor risk I did contract Amoebiasis, but I know of no vaccine for that parasite. Then too, I have gotten a flu shoot ever year since they became available, a vaccine that is continually adjusted to meet the expected flu virus variations expected for the upcoming season.
Again, trust you or med manufacturers who operate in perhaps the most litigious country in the world... I know my druthers.

 

Nope the record braker as of today was Ebola