Race and Crime

According to your sources, you can only say that, cops got a massive systemic racist problem in their ranks for drugs and driving crime. Your sources don't talk about anything else.

Your sources don't say anything about "massive discrepancies in who they arrest."

Just like you cannot prove who does drug and driving crime the most.

No, 'drug use' doesn't mean 'people who commit drug offenses.' Marijuana is legal in certain States! There's nothing in the graph which indicates that it is specifically ILLEGAL drug use. Also, the source doesn't make it clear how they collected the data on drug use. It could simply from survey data.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/empirical_analysis_tables_figures.pdf
"On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account."

It's not part of police work. Simple!

 

Nope.
The American Psychological Association says it's on many levels.
I've told you this many times before. I'm not up for repeating this again.

The graph shows it.

it does and you said yourself "As you can see, the green bars are 'use drugs', and 'sell drugs".. use drugs = does drugs.
Since you now are so dishonest,.. I am calling this your last attempt to try and attempt to put a hole in my sources that I am going to respond to.

It says so in my source from Human Rights Watch.

You claimed "It's a FACT that black people are not disproportionately killed by police. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT OF FACT?"
The numbers are out how many black people and how many white people are killed, and you are not sourcing it.

Shooting at armed and unarmed people is done every day by the police.

 

How many is "many?" How very VAGUE! Can you even quote where the APA says "many?"

Your INTERPRETATION of the graph is that it shows "massive [racist] discrepancies in who they arrest." And you're welcome to your own interpretation.

Yes, so drug possession! Which means NOTHING! The only relevant part of the graph is 'SELL drugs!'

Oh yeah, I see it now. Although, these two graphs from your two sources, really don't match up do they? The Human Rights Watch one indicates an INSANE racial disparity for 'drug use.' So which one do we trust?

What the hell do you mean by, "the numbers are OUT?"

Which is not a video game!

 

I proved with 6 sources that racism is systemic in the US police force, with high quality sources... AGES ago. It's amusing to see you think you can be able to dismiss them by questioning me. My sources stand since you got nothing to debunk it with. DON'T BE NAÏVE ABOUT IT! You're free to look up them links and read it yourself. I'm not going to repost them or look something up for you that I posted ages ago... so you can give your opinion about it wrongfully thinking it will dismiss my high quality sources.

It's your puny little opinion vs the opinion of Human Rights Watch. So you're free to be in your fake white far right wing alternative reality.

The graph says use drugs. Your attempt to dismiss my sources because of your puny little opinion is pathetic.
You even talk it's about "drug use" in your next paragraph.

That graph is from 1 source. And as far your what sources we trust, it remains: Your attempt to dismiss my sources because of your puny little opinion is pathetic.

You claimed "It's a FACT that black people are not disproportionately killed by police" and so source it already what them proportions are.

Which is psychological research from experts making conclusions with facts at hand.

 

Okay, so nothing about racism being on "many levels." Got it!

It's not in fact the opinion of Human Rights Watch that there is "massive [racist] discrepancies in who they arrest."

Which means nothing. It's not illegal to simply USE drugs. If a friend injects you with a needle, you haven't committed a crime. Perhaps not even if a friend gives you a puff of his weed, even if you're holding it for a second or two - the key is that you're not in control of the drugs.

What the hell are you talking about? There are TWO graphs. Again, these two graphs from your two sources, really don't match up do they? The Human Rights Watch one indicates an INSANE racial disparity for 'drug use.' So which one do we trust?

I have no idea what you're asking. By the way, it's not MY claim, it's the source's claim. Black people are not disproportionately killed by police. Simple!

Right, so NOT policing!

 

It's been sourced weeks ago, but you can't be bothered to look it up yourself. Got it.

oh is it?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/06/02/us-address-structural-racism-underlying-protests
US program director at Human Rights Watch. “It is about a law enforcement system that does not value all people equally and sacrifices the lives and well-being of black people as a result.”

Already told you HWR side stepped into the illegality of it all. You thinking I posted shabby research is just your unfounded opinion. You got no source debunking it. I will not comment again on your endless rants how according to just you the sources aren't good. My sources stand. Systemetic racism is a thing in the US police force. I proved it.

source the numbers of the ethnicity killed by cops.

I will not comment again on your endless rants how according to just you the sources aren't good. My sources stand. Systemetic racism is a thing in the US police force. I proved it.

 

How many is "many?" How very VAGUE!

So nothing about arrests. Got it.

Again, the HRW graph just says "Lifetime drug use."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

 

If he'd just post a statistic and not some fiction this would have been over a long time ago. But as you have noticed, it's 100% opinion and no facts.

 

It's about systemic racism by the US police force. I proved it.

I do not care about your opinion that HWR got it all wrong. You need to prove it.

That does not reflect that there are about 5 times more white people than black in the US, and proves black people are disproportionally killed more by a lot.

 

no, you haven't. It is a fact blacks commit over 50% of the violent crime. Because of this, they will have a statistically higher percentage of police encounters. There is nothing racist about math.

no they aren't. more whites are killed by police than blacks, DESPITE blacks committing a disproportionately more amount of violent crime.

 

I have blasted this thread with I think 6 sources from universities to HRW, other non profit organizations saying there is systemic racism in the US. So yes I have proved it is true.

Just because white people are killed more, does not disprove that black people are disproportionately killed more.

 

nope. none of the opinion pieces you provided contradict the actual data. Sorry.

of course it does. whites are killed at a higher rate by police than blacks, for the amount of crime and police encounters they have. This is all supported by the data. That the data clashes with your ideology, won't make it go away

 

Scientific research was done based on data... and it proved there is systemic racism.
So sorry.

Data shows that white people are doing and dealing more drugs. Data also shows that white people got a higher change of having a problems with the law when pulled over. Yet black people are arrested FAR more anyways. It's part of the systemic racism of over police black people for being black, and so they also end up killing them more proportionally. You looking at data who the police is arresting means nothing about who committed the crime. It's scientifically proven fact.

 

It doesn’t matter how much you hate the data. It won’t go away. Blacks commit over 50% of the violent crime and thus have more encounters with police than any other demographic. Despite this fact, whites are still killed at a higher rate by police than blacks are. It’s just reality. Sorry.

 

That's disingenuous.

6.2% of the population committed 54.9% of all murders in the US in 2019 (the latest year of data).

Murders, not "violent crime."

That 6.2% is Black men.

To suggest that 54.9% of murders are committed by Blacks would be disparaging and insulting to Black women, who commit murder at a rate far less than Asian or Hispanic women, who commit murders at a lower rate than White women. In other words, 61 White women will kill you before a single Black woman got a chance.

 

Most crime is not solved. So your claim 50% of the violent crime is being done by black people is just false.

Also. I claimed that there is systemic racism. Even IF black people commit more crime, it still remains that I claim and proved that there is systemic racism by cops.

 

I and others have given you the data. Reality doesn’t care that you don’t like it.

Which is demonstrably false.

Which I and others have directly refuted.

 

That is your opinion, vs Stanford university, Human Rights Watch and the American Psychological Association,.. among groups.
So you know. Your opinion means nothing. I sourced with high quality sources that systemic racism happens in the US, by cops.

Thanks for trying.

 

From APA:

"There's evidence of racial disparities at many levels of law enforcement, from traffic stops to drug-related arrests to use of force."

Nothing about "systemic!"

I'm not saying that HRW got it all wrong! I'm simply saying that 'drug use' doesn't mean 'drug CRIME.'

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/empirical_analysis_tables_figures.pdf

"On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account."

 

What the hell are you talking about? There are TWO graphs. Again, these two graphs from your two sources, really don't match up do they? The Human Rights Watch one indicates an INSANE racial disparity for 'drug use.' So which one do we trust?

 

Yes, that's because @notme isn't all that interested in FACTS!

 

What do you make of the claims about racism in traffic stops? There seems to be something in that.

 

Oh really?
That source also reads "Experts point to systemic problems"

You are basically saying that your opinion is that HRW is unable to do good research, and so their conclusions are wrong.
You're an amateur Chris. Your opinion means nothing.

You posted 2 things. And 1 showed that cops shoot black people at twice the rate at least compared the ethnic makeup of the US.
I also posted APA showed that cops shoot black people armed and unarmed more often in 1st person shooting games.
All you got are contextual factors, and you got no clue what that is.
For all you know this includes over policing black people for being black.

 

Indeed. 2 graphs but it's 1 picture from 1 source: The Hamilton project. This is the most trolling rant yet. You really must be utterly desperate to deny that there is systemic racism... while you sourced yourself... don't be naïve about it.

 

So sorry that I posted 6 sources saying that racism is all over / systemic.... and you can't accept it.