Stanford Study: COVID19 Lethality Far Less than Expected

Read what you wrote. The Plague of Justinian (which was every bit as bad as the later Black Plague)

Occurred in 500AD.

When did you say the Dark Ages began?

Oh yea...500AD..Just stop talking

 

The Plague of Justinian wasn't really a European plague. It very closely stayed within the confines of the Byzantine Empire, which only encompassed the southernmost shores of Europe and was primarily located in the Levant/southwestern Asia and northern Africa. The bulk of Europe suffered the Dark Age while unafflicted by the Plague of Justinian.

 

We have gone down the oft repeated rabbit hole. Superman V Batman huh?

Guess what? It took 200 years to recover from even the Black Death you so adore.

So yea...we don't need that comparison. Unless you think that unless it's THAT bad...it's not bad at all...

 

As I have yet to see anyone proclaiming adoration of the Black Death, I must ask- who are you talking to?

 

Money for what? It doesn't make sense.

 

Another poster claimed they get federal aid per confirmed case. If true (and its a common enough practice in emergencies), thats plenty of incentive. Hospitals love money

 

Compare that number to the one of humans dead on US highways.

 

And we have almost no idea how many millions already contracted it and were barely effected. That lowers the death rate tremendously.

And doctors are still people and some are activists. There is no reason to believe a doctor wouldn’t mark a death as Covid related when it wasn’t if he wanted to. And once the body is buried or cremated it’s done. Doctors take kickbacks from insurance companies all the time. Doctors push certain drugs that aren’t necessarily the best because they get kickbacks. Doctors are no less greedy or moral then anyone else. And administrators at hospitals will fudge the numbers if they can see bigger govt checks pushed their way. I wouldn’t doubt it for a second and neither should you. Hospitals are still businesses and if they can get more funding if the numbers push a little this way or a little that way, don’t believe for a second they aren’t out for their own self interests.

And I’d like to see a graph of normal flu deaths from prior years overlaying normal flu deaths from this year. If that number took a massive dive, something doesn’t quite add up.

 

The point is the Dark Ages was caused by barbarian invasions, not the plague. Civil society broke down in what is now Germany, Britain, Italy, Spain etc. not because of any plague. They didn't have a plague. They were overrun by barbarians.

In Asia there was a plague, but there was no Dark Age. Civil society didn't break down. The Byzantines survived for another thousand years while the Western Roman Empire crumbled. Learning that was lost in the West was preserved in the East and it was that learning that sparked the Renaissance.

These are historical facts.

 

The POINT...is that you "folks" are trying to say that this is not so bad because it' not as bad as the plague

That's an absurd claim no matter what you say

 

Because of the lack of testing we don't have real accurate numbers of the people infected or the real death count.

But regardless...arguing over the death RATE does not change the rising death COUNT

 

Why?

 

I'm not making that claim or any other sort of claim.

I am relating historical facts correcting your erroneous information. I like history and have read quite a bit. I don't like it when people give out bad information.

Why you persist in these errors is best known to you. If you don't like what others are claiming you should use facts and not falsehoods.

 

The point is that the true number of those infected is important with regards to those who have died to understand how the herd is being immunized. The flu also kills people with serious preconditions.

 

And ya get that information by TESTING

WHich we are no doing nearly enough of

 

The information has been gotten by testing. And the true mortality rate is ~ 0.2. And since each infected person can pass the virus to 6 others and the cases per day are trending down there is an explosion of immune individuals out there meaning that the mortality rate is continually going down. Time to go back to work starting with phase one.

 

It only affects about 20 percent who get who are old or very fat
This whole thing is about destroying T

 

Blue Gov are all baby Stalin’s

 

True. But the measure of how well we’re handling it all is death rate. We’ve been in lockdown for weeks now. WTF else do you expect Trump to do? Declare martial law, so you can call him Hitler? It’s up to the states to police themselves. The tests are out there. It took some time. Wouldn’t have really made a difference anyway since we’d still be locked down. Having more tests wouldn’t allow businesses to open any sooner. Or are you agreeing with Trump now, that we have to start opening up parts of the country? Or is he still a bringer of death by not being smarter than WHO and the CDC back in January when we had only a handful of cases and deaths which could hardly be called a pandemic?

 

Huh? Without massive and random testing you don't have the inforamtion to GET an accurate death rate. It's guesswork until then. What we DO know is that bodies are piling up

Ummmm...no ..they are not.

Interesting that "opening business soon" is all you care about rather than dealing with this horror.'

Newsflash,,,once we have enough tests we can deal with this thing better and THAT will let us open businesses.'

South Korea proved that

 

NONE of that is accurate

 

I generally agree with you.(And I honestly have been on this side of the argument, for the most part. The idea of health safety VS Economic necessity is an unfortunate argument that no economic system has ever encountered, or any solutions on how to deal with it.) We would be facing the same questions with a Clinton/Biden/Obama administration.)

The way I see it, the greatest challenge with this pandemic was/is, when we found out about patient zero, patient zero was still patient zero(IE: Infected) prior to us knowing about him. So even when we quarantined him, or quarantined the people who were effected by COVID-19, they were still able to move around and be about, prior to being quarantined. Between that and surfaces, that's how this situation developed.

It''s a family tree/group situation. The big difference between exponential growth and linear growth, is really the difference in how far the tree branches can go. If Exponential growth were an absolute(IE: 100%), then everyone on the Wuhan Princess cruise would've been effected, everyone on the Navy ships would've been effected. We now have growing evidence, that's not the case.

In reality, there are going to be people more genetically disposed to COVID-19 than others, or some already immune, etc. This is the type of research the medical community wants and needs to get started on. And what happened in Stanford is a powerful start, and the Israeli doctor echoed the same thing: Now's the time for the medical/scientific community to go into overdrive, so we act on far less assumptions then we have now.

So that we don't ban sunflower seeds.

 

It’s absolutely accurate. Read the OP.

 

The death rate angle not working for the narrative of doom and gloom based on what we are seeing real world, so turning to death count is Plan B?

Soon it will be "if we saved 1,000 lives the shutdown was worth it" or some other mess.

 

To get a little perspective on life and death.