Stephen Hawkins Says Idea of Afterlife a "fairy tale"

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  1. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

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    What does anyone know about this? It is all based on beliefs.

    Afterlife is as credible as ghosts .
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am going to be just as nice as I can here. If you choose to be offended, that is on you, not me.

    Stuff in the bible...
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    Isaiah 13
    21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

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    Numbers 21
    6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

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    Jeremiah 8
    17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

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    Isaiah 34
    7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Malachi 1
    3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Isaiah 35
    7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

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    1 Samuel 17
    4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

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    Job 40
    15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

    16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

    17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

    18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

    19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

    20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

    21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

    22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

    23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

    24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

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    Job 41
    1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

    Psalm 74
    14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

    Psalm 104
    26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

    Isaiah 27
    1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.



    Is "fairy tale" really that (*)(*)(*)(*)ing harsh?

    If the bible is infallible... Jesus lived in middle earth.
    Please.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Add to that magic staffs, magic swords, including a multidimensional fire sword held by the cherubim who guards the entrance to the garden of Eden, not to mention tetramorphs...

    Ezekiel 1
    10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.


    The other angels, demons, the devil, God, and Apollyon the Destroyer...

    Revelation 9
    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

    4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

    6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

    8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

    9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

    10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

    11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

    And these things... in Revelation 4:

    6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

    7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

    The landscape reads like an AD&D adventure.

    I can go on...
     
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    ...in view of the above is it any wonder religions and their adherents are ridiculed for the fictional nonsense they read, and firmly believe in, as reality? It could almost be a Harry Potter plot, but without the great script.

    Unicorns? Really? Or are they simply allegorical and open to interpretation (the favourite get-out-of-jail card of the faithful) because, frankly, they are so ludicrous?
     
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    Oh yes... unicorns... really.

    Numbers 23:22
    God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.


    Numbers 24:8
    God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.


    Deuteronomy 33:17
    His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.


    Job 39:9
    Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?


    Job 39:10
    Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?


    Psalm 22:21
    Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.


    Psalm 29:6
    He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.


    Psalm 92:10
    But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
     
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    YES!!!!!
    Afterlife, ghosts, heaven, demons, gods are all equally credible and equally non-existent!
     
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    do you have undeniable proof of that?
     
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    I think that all the near death experiences are not true near "death" experiences. They are just your body trying to comfort your mind for complete annihilation. This is what I believe I could be wrong I could be right. But when you die this natural chemical in your body called Ketamine that makes you hallucinate after you die. So that's how that comforting happens.
     
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    Proof something doesnt excist? LOL

    Its the ther way around, there is no proof they exist there arent even theorys or crude experiments to show the possibility or that hint, there is nothing.
     
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    heaven,hell,gods, whatever cant be proved real or unreal without any evidence of either.

    we dont have overwhelming proof that there is intelligent life on other planets either, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
     
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    A person who obeys an imaginary being who has "laws" you must "obey" or suffer torture, pain, and suffering, actually has the nerve to claim someone else is "insecure" BRILLIANT :mrgreen:
     
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    Thats not how it works, if you cant even theorise it, its pseudo science aka its not real.

    But we know life can excist, it does on earth. Seeing the numbers of suns and galaxy's plenty of theories about it. None about religion .
     
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    We do have literally ten to the umteenth tons of evidence that their may be other live in the universe. And if there is other life in the universe, their MAY be intelligent life.

    There is NO evidence of any heaven, hell, god, gods, demons, etc. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
     
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    But of course the faithful will always have recourse to their favourite security blanket; that of their detractors not being able to prove a negative. That, pretty much, is the only defence they have.
     
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    How ironic. Stephen Hawking can't prove a negative either by saying that the afterlife doesn't exist, yet you lefties take his word as gospel.
     
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    All he can say is that there is no physical evidence of it, which nobody disputes. This is a lot of hype for ZERO substance.
     
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    How many times has Stephen Hawking been dead to make such a claim?
     
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    No, I am not brainwashed, I simply havent see 1 shred of evidence or know of 1 for the existence of god or ghosts so I agree with him.
     
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    Why would he need to die to know the motivation of people?
     
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    We have proof that there is intelligent life on Earth.

    We don't have any proof of "heaven,hell,gods, whatever" on any planet...
     
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    Zero evidence of an afterlife is proof...
     
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    ZERO evidence is pretty strong stuff...
     
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    So...you are saying 'trust me' that an afterlife exists, but no one can know this until they are dead. So...how can you know this if you have not been dead? Or is it just because you 'believe' in something this gives you an authority to make sure guarantees?
     
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    wtf can you guys ever stick to topics, or is it always the deflection statements you think make sense?

    its posts like this that seriusly make me question "intelligent life" on earth lol. anyways ONCE AGAIN there is no diffinitive proof that there is intelligent life on other planets or the galaxy OTHER THAN EARTH... but that doesnt mean there isnt.

    so ONCE AGAIN we dont have proof of intelligent life elsewhere other than here.

    you dont have proof heaven or gods dont exist, so you can they they dont.
     
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