Stop blaming the NRA for failed gun control efforts

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  1. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    You do know U.K. has N.R.A. that predates America's N.R.A. as the Original ?

    https://nra.org.uk/
     
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    Hollywood, in spite of making many movies about VIOLENCE and the Actors like Arnold and others making Milllions, mostly are big time gun control advocates.

    Freedom, why commit crimes ?

    I never commited any crimes and neither have the majority of gun owners you seek to vilify.

    And no, Police Officers do not shoot people in the back without an Internal review board and facing prosecution if found that criminal charges are applicable..
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    By the looks of it the UK NRA is what the American NRA once was BEFORE it became the NRA Gun Culture of Death that it is today.
     
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  4. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I should have provided a link to update your knowledge.

    https://longislandtechnologynews.com/2018/03/autopsy-cops-shot-unarmed-man-6-times-in-back/
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, you will find the UK's NRA are totally different to America's. If you try searching the NRA supporting guns in times of massacres, it defaults to America.

    Try to find the UK's NRA poking it's nose into gun crime? You will find that they actually get on with doing the job of what an NRA should be doing; helping it's members with news, events, training and sensible use of firearms.

    The American NRA would appear to be the 3rd major political party of America.
     
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    Wow, what a well written article !
    Sarcasm.

    Not an objective News article or Police blotter or professionally written report.

    Not all shootings are so simple as I learned having served in L.E. and all shootings are fully investigated and charges filed if such charges are warranted.

    Sure, you will find just as many Capitalists anywhere in the World.
     
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  7. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Their tone and attitude does suggest it tbh.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd take a guess that 90% of Americans want their guns, and don't want anything to change, so with 'democracy' in mind, that's how it should stay?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a shame the American NRA do it for profit and not for gun safety. If they were concerned about gun safety, they wouldn't be conducting themselves in the manner in which they are.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Forty-two percent of Americans live in a household with a gun and there are 40 million more guns than people.

    If the majority of those firearms were being used for hunting purposes, wildlife would be extinct.

    The trend for gun ownership is declining but the sales of guns are at an historical high, so many gun owners are obviously stockpiling. Obviously for protection and hunting is a load of testicles.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure if their English grammar skills are not up to your liking, I'm sure plenty of media sources on the internet covered the story.


    Yes, and some profit from massacres.
     
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    IOW, you do not dispute the obvious fact that all crime, including gun crime and murder has risen after the irrational gun ban was imposed. How could anyone expect any other result?
     
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    Hunting and home defense and concealed carry is increasing, especially among Women and Elderly Men.

    Again, false statistics based on telephone polls, the number of concealed carry permit statistics, background checks performed, gun club members, first time gun buyers, old gun owners that purchased a collection prior to 1968, and most people I ask, will deny owning firearms in answer to a telephone poll.

    Firearms Instructors point to full classes and long waits to register for available classes.

    There is much identity theft and thieves possibly calling pretending to be a pollster, to find out who owns guns.

    This has also happened outside ranges, thieves would follow a person home, know they owned guns, and break in later, most people buy a gun safe, to prevent theft.
    A quality safe costing around what 1 mid-line handgun costs.

    Also, a Glock 19, a most popular handgun, is not a model to stock pile, and the numbers of individuals purchasing and registering gor warranty purposes, is ever increasing, and is public knowledge, save personal information not disclosed.


    The proof in total is irrefutable, gun ownership is rising, only misinformed Anti- Gun sources say otherwise.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All waffle, not a link in sight.
     
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    Then perhaps it is time for the laws of not only the individual states, but also the federal government, to place more emphasis on the lives of the public rather than the criminal individuals, and not interfere with deadly force being dispatched against those that would harm others for their own benefit. Let those living in drug and violence-infested neighborhoods go about clearing out those who are responsible for what is being witnessed, and perhaps there will be an absence of security problems.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Fewer shootings, however, does not translate into fewer murders being committed.
     
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    More than once, you have been called out on the use of such hyperbole, and not once has it ever been demonstrated by yourself as being truthful. Unless there is actual evidence that can be cited, to demonstrate this supposed "NRA Gun Culture of Death" then stop making such statements. Show that the NRA has the ability to prevent any particular piece of legislation from being passed and signed into law. Do something other than screaming incoherently about something that is clearly not understood by yourself.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Once again. The aforementioned link does not prove anything, except for the number of individuals who are willing to admit to owning a firearm, when queried by a complete stranger claiming to work for some polling organization. It does not actually demonstrate anything of significance.
     
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    Of course, it does. To believe that fewer shootings do not equal fewer murders you would also have to believe that every murder by gun would be committed by some other means if their gun were taken away. I think you know that cannot be true.
     
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    Explain the terrorist attack in the city of Nice, in the nation of France. It was a mass killing with an every greater number of deaths and victims than the Las Vegas incident, all committed by one individual with nothing more than one motor vehicle, in a span of less than five minutes.

    To believe that fewer shootings does indeed equal fewer deaths, it would be necessary for yourself to believe that there is a complete absence on the part of violent individuals to actually engage in acts of violence unless firearms are available to them. It completely dismisses all incidents of violence that involve implements other than firearms, and claims that they do not amount to anything. It is not only arrogance on the part of yourself, it is also blatant foolishness.
     
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    Actually it does. Our murder rate is at fairly close to record lows.
     
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    The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
     
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    You perhaps only believe Agenda based
    Anti Gun trash.

    I have my experiences as a certified firearms instructor with 20 years teaching experience,
    Both Civilian and L.E. and having compiled information from various sources like Glock, S&W, a local range, My experience as a LEO, instructors such as forum member Orlando Chuck, and others with law enforcement experience.

    Why must I post an exterior link to something well within my qualifications, the realm of my experience as a certified professional and well within the confines of my area of degree study, work and expertise.

    I am well qualified to publish my own studies and data on this and other topics.
     
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    Correction: 42% will admit on a random PHONE SURVEY to a TOTAL STRANGER who calls around dinnertime to living in a household with a gun.

    The 2a isn't about hunting dude. The only persons obsessed with hunting as a reason for the 2a are fudds and antis.
     
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    Tens of thousands every year.
     
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