The Carbon Tax will spell the end for Bob Brown and the Greens

Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of Australia or Jordan will not be on top of New Orleans.

It is often important to figure out how a project can benefit the USA before we find the financing for it.

http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html

 

Firstly, water should have the highest priority on our planet, the value of water should be ranked no.1, and all other goodies there after. Fracking is not an option, as it destroys the most valuable water we have, ground water. Once gas can be extracted in other ways, fine.

Secondly, desal is certainly part of our future, but we must make sure the energy to run such a plant is from renewable energies, trusting in nuclear is/was a big mistake. However it appeared fine at the time, 30 years back....

Coming back to the titlle of this thread, The Greens will become the party of our future, as the main players do everything they can, to uphold their old antiquated values and principles....

Regards

 

I like the idea of adding desalinated seawater to the water table. The earth will clean it even farther.

 

I have read that the water table is down terribly in many nations due to the demands placed by cities and modern agricultural methods.

I also have the impression that evaporation is at a somewhat higher rate due to a general global warming trend. It is an option that sure is worthy of consideration especially now that solar desalination is becoming so efficient.


http://www.ssb-foundation.com/

 

The more I study the fracking question the more I tend toward agreeing with you that it should only be used in a very few cases where a desperate need exists.

One of the reasons why so many American politicians support it is because it is a possible way for the USA economy to be less dependent on foreign nations......but....... I tend to agree with you that the risks outweigh the benefits.

 

The main issue with fracking is proper disposal of the waste water, which is a problem with many industrial and mining processes including the mining of rare earth metals which most of these new technologies require.

It's funny how everyone is so against fracking because of this groundwater issue, when rare earth metal mining in China has already contaminated their ground water and they've actually had to evacuate people because of increased incidents of cancer, livestock deaths and poisoned and failing crops. Don't see people protesting against wind turbines, electric cars and smart phones do you? I guess people just don't really care if it's happening to other people.

Everything needs to be managed properly, if we start mining rare earth metals here in a big way we will face the same issues of waste water management as the Chinese, thankfully we have better mining practices.

Anyway in Australia we don't need to do much fracking for the gas, not yet anyway.

Solar highways look cool and all, but also seems like it would be horribly inefficient and astronomically expensive.

 

That depends whom you ask, with panels becoming increasingly cheap (thanks to China) you wonder why we haven't much more of them.
Ups, sorry forgot our coal power stations, owned by the governemnt at the end.......
Cheerio

 

The panels won't remain cheap if we start paving roads with them. To me it seems a bit silly to be putting solar panels on a surface that will have other objects... ie cars, on top of them. It would make more sense to put the solar panel on the cars roofs and have them charge their batteries that way. Maybe some very wealthy high density cities might use this stuff in the future as a bit of a gimmick, but I can't see it being rolled out world wide. Half the world can barely even afford to seal roads or properly maintain existing roads, let alone pave them with solar panels.

Solar panels were cheaper for ordinary people several years ago when government subsidies were higher. Anyway the problem with solar is that if the whole world actually started to get significant amounts of their energy from solar, there would be a rare earth metals crisis. I think solar is a good idea to deal with peak energy in the Australian summer, but it's just not feasible to think that it's the answer to the worlds base load power, not until it moves away from rare earth metals.

Won't be long before we're deep sea mining, and scouring, for rare earth metals deposits. Hippies might take some issue with solar power then.

We'd be better of just closing down brown coal power stations and moving to coal seam gas right now, and developing solar to deal with peak demand in summer. Also we should upgrade the grid to make it more efficient, level out peak demand with government incentives, and tightening efficiency standards for everything.

No need to go paving roads with solar panels until we've at least done all that.

 

Economy of scale though would kick into gear and they would at the minimum tend to decrease in cost per panel if they were used in many different ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Roadways

 

It would decrease the cost for a short amount of time, until the supply of rare metals is swallowed up by literally paving roads with them.

 

Bob Brown was the last Statesman we have had in parliament in Australia

 

Hopefully as time goes on whatever rare metals need to be used in the present model could be replaced by non rare metals?????!

 

That is the next issue to be solved, how to make cost efficient solar panels without rare earth metals. Once someone figures this out, then sure let's pave the roads with solar panels and tile houses with solar panels and whatnot, no problem.

 

Yeap,
I sign this one straight away....
Regards

 

Dumbanddumber........ would you be offended if I to some degree hijacked your thread and explained how the Green Party of Australia may just have something that they can get involved in which would be more effective than a carbon tax over the next century or two or three?

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...mbatting-climate-change-unite-right-left.html

Could alternative method of combatting climate change unite right and left???

 

DominorVobis...……… I have a challenge for you that is based on a message that I posted to the official Canadian Liberal Party discussion forum back in 2011. Incidentally........ the Liberal Party ran no candidate against Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May in the 2008 federal election. She decided to run in Central - Nova and at the last moment I decided to vote for her because her personal response to my 2008 primary writing for my campaign for municipal councilor was brilliant and courageous.

www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

Ms. May admitted that investment in turning deserts green was one important part of a full response to climate change. She also expressed a serious interest in using film projects to begin the process of addressing many problems.

DominorVobis…….I am going to have to add the copyright symbol to this message......… because this is a serious offer........ If you are willing to accept my challenge this is yours for one Australian Dollar.... but..... if you don't accept I might not be so generous with somebody else?!

©Dennis Tate 2014

I hereby offer one trillion Dennis Tate dollars and/or hours.... similar to Calgary Dollars or the Ithaca Hour to DominorVobis and Ms. Terri Irwin the widow of Steve Irwin to begin to initiate another series of documentary, plus reality, plus semi-reality science fiction films designed to "break chains and set captives free" in the animal kingdom!

I personally am a proponent of a rather controversial plan to attempt to set the stage for the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple complex in Jerusalem perhaps as early as the year 2030 and considering that the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 will almost certainly involve the killing of some lambs and sheep and kids of the goats and bullocks then obviously this idea is controversial to many.

In a way the trillion dollars and / or hours are props in the proposed series of films.

I challenge you..... DominiorVobis… to come up with any formula for distribution of these trillion Dennis Tate dollars and or hours in any way that you choose...… because frankly..... even if you really like the idea Terri Irwin might just consider the most stupid idea she ever heard of...… in which case......… You may as well use them yourself to attempt to set this all up. I recommend working with some non-profit organization just in case Australia rules that you need to pay the same level of taxation on Dennis Tate dollars and/or hours as if you had earned Australian or Canadian dollars?!?!

Any film devoid of conflict is boring..... so you and Terri Irwin or whichever replacement for her that you choose.......would make an excellent arch -rival......(sort of)?!

After I kick the bucket "collectors edition effect" could kick in on those Dennis Tate dollars and or hours and whoever holds them at that time could become very wealthy...… and accomplish a great deal toward making this world a better and greener place for everybody!

In a way.... this is an opening gambit in what I hope to be a friendly rivalry between Canada and Australia designed to help people realize that methods are available to finance projects that we have not taken full advantage of in the past.

Posts #1 and #4 here are useful background information:

http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi

Rabbi ........, linking Jerusalem Third Temple with Grand Unified Theory of Modern World Problems.

 

Another issue is to figure out how to finance the transition over to a green economy without putting ourselves hopelessly into debt that grows at an astonishing rate.

http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

 

Not interested ....

 

I was right!!!!!

You Sir...… are indeed a truly wise man!!!!!!!!

 

But….. .isn't the number one, most ecological friendly objective that we could possibly have in mind …….. be the preventing of all out nuclear war?

Isn't the Middle East one of the most likely places on earth for an all out nuclear WWIII to begin?

Therefore would not a massive plan to turn the deserts of the nation of Jordan green not be one of the most ecologically friendly initiatives possible?

 

Just so you have a better idea of what you are turning down….. you might want to take a look at post #61 here……

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/380595-g-ds-agenda-gay-community-7.html
G-d's Agenda for the Gay Community?!

 

I lost a bit the consensus lately, are we still discussing the Greens and the Carbon tax? Or did I miss something down the line?

As the Greens gain in power, not only in Australia, but world wide, I bet the loss of the Carbon Tax and the denial of climate change will signal the end of the Liberal Party in Australia.

People want to secure this planet for future generations, not for those holding onto their power for their own greedy good......

Can't wait for that to happen,
regards

 

M2catter….. am I naive to think that IF the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel technology was in fact legitimate…. would the introduction of an engine like that on the market make a carbon tax almost unnecessary?


http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Stanley_Meyer

It is interesting that an American judge would allow a white substance to be put in the fuel, (water)……. one of the possible reasons why he might do that would be if he had been contacted by somebody high up in the C.I. A. or N.S.A?!

Surely any judge who would do something that silly would know that eventually they could be found out and their name would be mud! I mean who would allow the opposition to a gasoline engine to add sugar to the fuel???!


http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/stanley-meyers-and-zero-point-energy.42388/

 

Hi Dennis,
whether a hydrogen motor is powering our vehicles in the future or not, needs to be seen. There have been hydrogen buses tested in the City of Perth, some years ago.
They did work, if I remember correctly........

But burning fossil fuels is only one part of a big problem. You can add coal, wood and so on.

If we force the emitters to come up with better solutions, they will. It works everywhere, to my knowledge.

But Gina and her mates don't want to reduce their footprint, certainly not if it costs their money. And Toneee is a very obedient man.....

Regards

 

The Greens Party in Australia are just as opposed as all other parties to green energy, they pretend otherwise and used this well to obtain $30 Million cash paid into their bank account by Julia Gillard. No Greens accounting of that money has ever surfaced. Coupled with this the Greens took delivery in 2007 of free to copy green energy, as did all the other parties and along with al other parties the Greens oppose the development ever getting into Australians hands. The Greens especially cannot finance a vote for us campaign against the money Coal can pour in saying don't! They all remember Coal payback for Howard mapping entire Australia for Urban Geothermal below+100*C. The maximum heat that can be applied for captured Carbon turbine activation having three hundred times the power output of Steam at +600*C.