The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

Proof? I mean proof that takes into consideration net cost/benefit. And please don't factor in enforcement costs into your figures, since you are proposing an increase in said cost. Also, don't include any illegal immigrants in your figures that didn't cross the border illegally in the first place . . . which is most illegal immigrants.

 

Proof that anyone who has a DL can vote, without any kind of check whatsoever?

 

Neither is falsely claiming that net effect of illegal immigration is net positive. Hence???

 

All you need to do in CA is sign an affidavit that you are a US citizen.

 

Enforcement costs are completely valid to preserve the rule of law. After the border is secure then immigration reform can proceed.

 

For a provisional ballot, maybe. That's not the same thing as having your vote counted without any kind of check. I'm not trying to be mean here, but that's just not how any state's voting system works.

 

What would you estimate the time difference involved is between:

1. Stepping 1 foot across a national border or
2. Digging a tunnel under a wall?

Have you ever dug a tunnel?

Why do I suspect you don't answer this one?

 

But when your proposed solution involves increasing those costs, it is dishonest to use those same cost against the other side while claiming your solution is cheaper. This should be obvious.

 

I've provided a source. You say it is "false," but you can't argue against it. Hence?

 

What other checks ??

 

These analyses ignore that:

- our undocumented alien population has not been growing over the last decade, drawing into question whether ANY wall would reduce the number of undocumented aliens in the USA.

- the work done by these people has value to the USA, value that various analyses specifically ignore.

- these people pay taxes. For example, this population is credited with maintaining our social security system through payroll taxation and this population rarely gets the benefits that these payroll taxes pay for.

- the land border with Mexico is only one of the ways available for people to come to live here without documentation. Legal visas are the method used by nearly half of our permanent undocumented population. The wall does nothing about that.

 

It’s dishonest to solve a problem and include the cost of doing so ??

 

. . . you are seriously under the impression that all anyone needs to vote is an ID and . . . that's it. No voter rolls? No registration? Really? Really?

 

healthcare, education, law enforcement, justice system, incarceration, depressed wages....~20 million illegals and their millions of welfare qualifying Jackpot Babies are not free, are not a 'push', are not a 'net gain' to the public fisc.

 

Not if you actually include that cost. So far, I haven't seen that. What I've seen instead is people comparing the (understated) cost of the wall to the difference between taxpayer-funded benefits enjoyed by illegal immigrants and the taxes paid by illegal immigrants. No, not the same thing.

 

There are illegals crossing the border every day. Net illegal immigration declined under Obama due to the weak economy.

So we need illegals to fund social security ??

If there is s need implement guest worker programs.

 

That's another addition to the national debt.

And, it is money NOT going to a legitimate investment in our future, such as is education, infrastructure, etc.

It's pure government waste, promoting hate toward Hispanics.

 

Once again, you are including the cost of law enforcement . . . while proposing we increase the cost of law enforcement. And no, large-scale, they don't depress wages. And the wages they do depress are an economic boon to the overall economy. And the welfare-qualifying kids you are talking about are American citizens. Woomp woomp.

 

Including enforcement costs makes the economics worse.

 

Exactly

They are globalists

 

Candidate Trump, who repeatedly promised to release his tax returns, boasted,

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me,
believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively!
I will build a great great wall on our southern border and
I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall!"​

Then, after Mexico replied, "¡Que te jodan, Estúpido!" he demanded the US Congress cough up $18 billion in US taxpayer money.

Maybe he should ask Putin what he needs to do to get a loan from a Russian bank.

Americans don't want no stinkin' wall.

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(Stormy Daniels offered to refund his $130,000. Maybe he could use that for his wall.)

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The welfare qualifying kids are from unemployed Americans.

 

Enforcement costs go up when you increase enforcement. If these costs make the economics worse, why are you proposing we increase them?

 

And Mexico will ultimately pay.

 

Then it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Besides, the citizen children of illegal immigrants go on to further increase the economic boon.