The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

Economic growth which never exceeded 3% results in this the worst recovery since the GD.

 

TARP was under Bush. And all that money was paid back.

 

You should branch out:

This was 15 years ago. What makes you believe that it has flipped since ?? The only analysis that might flip it would include a comparative advantage argument based on low wages of illegals instead of citizens. But that's an argument which goes against the rule of law. The absurd extension of this is that we replace all of our labor force with illegal aliens who would work for less than citizens would. But then we don't have a country.

https://www.heritage.org/immigratio...cal-cost-low-skill-immigrants-the-us-taxpayer

 

See previous posts. I've already covered this. 85% of economists polled say that illegal immigrants are a net boon or neutral. Out of the 15% who say they are a net negative, many still admit that they are a net boon once you factor in their children, and barely any will claim that their net costs, if there are any, are greater than the cost of the wall. Keep in mind that the bulk of the expense of illegal immigration is from the expense of enforcement . . . an expense you guys are proposing that we increase. Examining taxpayer-funded services payment/costs alone is not a full net benefit analysis. Throughout most of our country's history, we've had virtually open borders, so the "we don't have a country" argument is BS. There are very good, market-driven reasons why we can't replace our entire workforce with illegal immigrants. That's a false concern. According to your logic, all workers in every segment should be making minimum wage. Obviously, they don't. Because the market. Again, I miss the pro-market conservatives. Hopefully they will come back in 2020 so that I have someone to vote for.

 

UE from over 10% to under 5%. Record high stock market. Most consecutive months of jobs growth of any other president in US history.

Claiming he had the worst recovery, or he wasn't a success, just makes you look silly.

 

Liberals are the ones lying about the harm illegal aliens do to this country

 

The comparative data shows the truth. The Obama recovery is the weakest on record.

 

No sane economist could believe illlegals are good for America no matter what the tell other liberals

 

Actually, most of the economic sources I lean on are conservative or conservative-leaning mainstream. Which, well, describes most economists. Nice try, though. Again, these guys are actually pro-free-market folks instead of faking a respect for capitalism and then abandoning it the moment someone like Trump comes along.

 

I care about results not labels

Whatever they call themselves they are wrong

 

Free market economists and advocates prefer that comparative advantage comes internally from US citizens or externally from workers who are citizens of and are working in other countries.

There should not be a minimum wage.

If there is a need bring back the bracero program.

Stop enforcement of immigration laws to save money ??

 

The Mexicans that Trump promised would pay for his big, beautiful Trump®Wall will be very happy to hear that.

They had been viewing it as a huge US taxpayer-subsidized training facility for Mexico's Olympic pole vault team, and a stimulant for their shovel industry.

 

Then, I'm sorry, but you aren't very familiar with conservative economics. Anti-free-market nationalists are the far fringe of conservative economics, not the core. They belong more on the nativist/fringe populist side of the spectrum, not the actual conservative side. As far as results go, the pro-market folks are right. Populists tend to lose on the facts once the facts are gathered.

 

They base on the comparative advantage of low wages with no regard for the rule of law, sovereignty, or the negative effects on US citizens.

 

Mexico will pay as part of trade negotiations.

 

I love the part where you pretend those are mutually exclusive and that preventing the free flow of labor is somehow . . . free market.

Cool.

This contradicts your previous statement.

What?

 

It would be keeping out one of their demographics so that's why they're against it

 

As has already been discussed, the net effect for US citizens is positive. I'm more concerned with individual sovereignty than Nanny state sovereignty. And comparative advantage is far more comprehensive than just low wages.

 

I get it that mainstream knee-jerk conservative economists are mostly globalist free traders

Thats what everyone including me were taught to believe

But its wrong

 

My only requirement is that the free market operate within the rule of law.

A guest worker program operates within the rule of law.

What ??

 

Come’on man ???

 

And a worker program that doesn't keep up with market demands isn't operating within the market. Whatt?? God forbid we have laws that actually address economic growth.

 

Three question marks aren't a replacement for debate and discussion.

 

Illegals cost US taxpayers four to five border walls per year. every year.

No brainer....

unless, of course, your political model requires gradually replacing the people who understand America, America's history and founding, the Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War...who understand America's economic system and why it works...

with people who, though often socially conservative, are already quite familiar with, and supportive of, top-down government paternalism.

Professional leftists know they have a much better chance of ruling people who are not only accustomed to being ruled, and accustomed to wholesale government corruption, but often come from crushing poverty and will look upon their Welfare State benevolence as pennies from heaven.

 

And by giving driver’s licenses and ID cards to illegal aliens as they have in CA and Chicago they will be able to vote.

Here’s another example of D’s placing the welfare of illegals over citizens - I will not be able to use my CA driver’s license to get on an airplane starting in 2020. Thanks moonbeam.