Well that’s not quite the response I thought I’d get, but – ok. So, all you got out of the last two months’ worth of post’s and my open, honest, sincere explanation of why I write certain things was a conclusion that I'm a fraud, and smug. Wow, just wow!!!!!!!!! Either you were really tired when you read my last post and weren't paying attention, or you’ve been giving me a bunch of lip service for weeks and couldn’t wait for the first opportunity to slam another lefty. “I’m the one” who thought that you were above that sort of thing but I guess I was wrong. I guess we’re both disappointed. (I know I am) Let me leave it at this, you completely missed all of my points and have completely miss-read me. I am “completely” not what you think I am and I’d like to think that you’re not that narrow minded or intellectually lacking that you can’t understand something as simple as some people aren’t as rigid in their thinking as others. (which has nothing to do with thinking critically or basing their opinions on factual evidence) Good luck in life, good luck in all you endeavors, and good luck with an ever increasing extremist party that's been hijacked by mostly hateful, clueless people that is headed the way of the dinosaur’s because of their intransigent thinking…….. (please note there wasn't one word of racism in that sentence before you go back on the: "you're a racist kick again")
You are literally playing semantics, on comments that destroy your argument you skip them and say things like "irrelevant" than act like your the smartest person in the world for dodging questions. Its very simple, America is a nation of immigrants there is nothing wrong with letting people from other countries here even if they are unskilled, this is the land of opportunity not the land of rich (*)(*)(*)(*)s only. If you are poor and live in a very poor country than you are more than welcome to come to America and try to get a better life. The republican parties Xenophobia is not going to stop this and its only making Democrats passion for immigration stronger.
Explain to me how diversity is not a strength. That makes absolutely no sense, I know with certainty that people from all walks of life and cultures coming together as one is very strong and effective. You honestly think America being the greatest country on Earth has nothing to do with the fact we embrace other people and cultures? Its the same concept for the Roman Empire, they were effective because they would recruit their enemies as Mercenaries and even give conquered villages and cities Roman Citizenship to gain their loyalty. They would even bring technology to them and help, gaining even more loyalty. Its the same concept for us, only now that traveling is cheaper they can come here instead of us going to them. The Romans were not even racist, they found good evidence of black people in the highest echelons of Roman society. The best way to gain strength is through acceptance of others.
America is a nation of European immigrants mostly. That is what made it into the world number one superpower. If some other immigrants colonised America, then it would be very different today, maybe better, maybe a lot worse. You are talking about immigrants like they are some homogenous group, but cultural differences between various immigrant groups are deep and extremely important when it comes to their influence on the host country. Thats why immigration should be selective and that has nothing to do with racism of xenophobia just basic knowledge of sociology.
Its not secret America is a nation of immigrants, I dont mind if other countries have strict immigration policies but if America is going to be the only superpower and meddle in other countries affairs constantly claiming its to give them democracy and a better life, than the least we could do is let them come here for democracy and a better life rather than just bombing them to get the job done. As for businesses, I have a very negative view on corporations because I am a Marxist and that ideology obviously does not think very highly of capitalism. Every time I see poor people starving throughout history for whatever reason such as drought, blight, natural disasters all of those things, the number one reason I see people use to not help is "the free market". The Irish had a potato blight in the 1800's and were starving to death where they were literally being overly decimated and what was the English's excuse to not help them at all? Free market. Merchants, English and Irish alike, took advantage of these poor starving people and would charge them extra for food and purposely sell most of the food to the English because they paid a slightly higher price that the Irish could not afford due to a lack of industrialization and jobs. I will never accept watching someone starve to death just to save a bit of money, Capitalism is evil Social Darwinism and it needs to be heavily tweaked. Im fine with capitalist elements, but we should never tell someone he should starve to death because he is too poor to afford food. Im not saying that people who dont want jobs should get free food, but if you are actively looking for a job and cant find one then yes we should definitely pay for your food, I dont believe in the Bible but im sure you do and it says in the bible essentially give as much as you can to the poor, submit to governing authorities and pay your taxes. Jesus was a Marxist, but American Christians who fell for the Red Scare propaganda will probably hate the very notion of that. It reminds me of Tea Party rallies where they talk about how much they love Jesus than right after that they talk about how much they love guns, as if Jesus would have also loved guns lmao.
You say European immigrants is what made America into the sole world superpower, how do you know? If we were colonized by Asians how could you be so sure we would not have been the superpower anyway because of our geographic location? Its clear you are xenophobic because you only want immigrants from Europe, in other words you only want white immigrants and you want to keep America mostly white which is exactly the same thing KevinVA and Jack Napier said directly. You can deny racism and xenophobia all you want, it only works on republicans who deny racism every chance they get and act like its not a problem anymore.
I agree the full main intent of reagans anmesty was to depress wages in this country. He wanted to break unions, the air traffic controllers proved that was what he wanted.. Reagan never had any intention of closing the border they hadnt nearly reached their goal numbers of cheap lackey laborer yet. The tide has only turned with republicans because suddenly theyve had an ephiphany that all that cheap labor they created so they could underpay american citizens AINT VOTIN FOR THEM. Wow what an enlightenment huh.
I think german scientific minds had more to do with our becoming a superpower than anyone else, superpower didnt come to be until there was nuclear capabilities and german minds undeniably gave us that
Just the fact you refer to "illegal aliens" as "enemy combatants" shows exactly how extreme and xenophobic you are. You even refer to our legal immigration policy as a "noose", obviously designed to choke the people who DO want to come here legally. Its very simple, people want to come to America so when you make the legal path to citizenship similar to having a "noose" around your neck of course they are going to take the second route, which is coming here illegally. I do not blame them one bit, especially considering a huge reason they are immigrating here is because of the violence WE caused with our drug war. If we had our legal immigration route was not compatible to a "noose" and we were not causing extreme violence in their country and even selling them untraceable assault rifles (fast and furious) than yes I would be harder on illegal immigration and advocate along side you for the deportation of illegals, but until than I am going to try my best to give them the voice they do not yet have due to being illegal. I am white, but for true Americans we know this is a nation of immigrants (no not just European immigrants) so it doesnt matter if you are white black asian whatever, we will stick up for the Mexicans and whoever else wants to come here and is discriminated against. "This is for my people, My Mexicano people, The whole earth is yours and no human is illegal, Come across the border, Every woman and man," - KRS ONE http://youtu.be/ZLHYymKC2rY?t=24s This is a black guy who has been rapping since the 80's saying stop the violence in hip hop and all of that, but now in 2013 he is sticking up for Mexicans because he sees how they are currently being treated. You can claim democrats are racist, but in reality we get the vast majority of the Mexican and Black votes while the conservative party is almost exclusively white, this is no coincidence at all.
Nah, I am talking about culture, not race. In fact, I would actually prefer if there were more Asian immigrants as their culture is very conductive to being a productive member of society. Ideally no race should be taken into account only things like education, income, no criminal records etc. You are like a caricature of a stereotypical antiracist, seeing racism everywhere, even where there is none. Now I dont deny some people are against unregulated immigration because they are racist, but they are a small minority.
True to a point, reminds me of a funny joke by Stephen Colbert its not a exact quote but he says something like "America is better than Russia because our German scientists were smarter than their German scientists" lmao. But no if the Germans were so much intellectually superior they would have surpassed us by now, they were good with rockets yes but it doesnt mean they are good at everything. That is whats so great about allowing people from all countries to live in America, we get German scientists, Asian philosophers, Russian Marxists, and French women! Haha just kidding about that last one, but you get my point some countries excel in certain areas the way Germans excelled in war machinery, and we get to take advantage of all countries specialties, its a natural reward for accepting others. As for Nuclear technology making us the superpower thats not exactly true, thats what held us as the superpower but it did not make us one. In return for joining Britain in WWII, and keep in mind this is when Britain was the main superpower, we told them to give us coastal bases all along east America, southern and northern. We also received military bases in Europe, we have a huge amount of open land that we industrialized a lot of and built a decent infrastructure, there are just so many things to take into account that America has which other nations do not. Britain was largely successful because it was on a island with a great navy so it was hard to invade, America is essentially a HUGE island (since we conquered sea to shining sea) with now an ever better navy, so much harder to invade now that we are populated (mainly thanks to immigration).
I disagree and im not of german descent either, if german scientists had been givien the GADZILLIONS in cash to develep superpower weapons they would have zoomed past us. There was never any emphasis on that in europe after the ww2
You seem to be forgetting we defeated Germany without using nuclear weapons, they had the V2 but still lost because partly what made them so strong, hatred for their neighbors, was also what brought them down, the strength of their neighbors.
That was before there were any superpowers and we didnt defeat germany all on our own. Actually german scientists were developong the atomic bomb as we were fighting ww2 they had defected from Nazi rule and control
Germany was not on their own either, and have you not seen a map of Great Britain during that time? They literally own like half of Africa with France owning the other half, they own all of India/Pakistan and so many other places along with entire dominions that have to fight for them like Canada and Australia. They were not a superpower compared to today obviously because we could just nuke them, but for their time Britain was indeed a superpower because they had a very dominant world wide role.
Republicans were happy when Reagan was bringing 'em in, Republicans are now unhappy they're here. I really wish Republicans would discover some consistency. Jello, meet wall and nail.
If you are poor in the land which is your own, what makes you think they are going to be a success here? You have yet to provide empirical evidence to demonstrate why barely educated and poor third world immigrants would be such a success to the host nation, and why the US should be a bucket for the problems of the World. You have yet to convince Americans what it is they get for this huge imposition that you wish to keep forcing onto them, without asking for their say in the matter. Make your case. Use logic and not emotion.
I thought that might set off a few bombs! There is a lot of sociological work into various groups living in close proximity but to simplify this let me address your example. The Roman Empire was not a nation in the way we think of nations after the Treaty of Westphalia. It was an Empire in the service to a particular ethnic group in one city that ruled it's empire for it's own benefit. Now being under Roman rule conferred a lot of benefits to people who were not Roman citizens within the empire. It kept law and order, provided a universal currency and commercial law, and it kept your neighbors from attacking you, and you from attacking your neighbors. Being a Roman citizen meant adopting Roman language, culture, gods, manner, and law. That's the very opposite of diversity. It's assimilation. But actual citizens were a tiny minority of the Empire. So it's one thing to assimilate local elites, but it's quiet another to assimilate everyone. In the 1980's I went on vacation for a few days in Yugoslavia. During a bus tour I asked our guide how the various ethnic groups got along (historically they were not so friendly with their neighbors). He replied that everyone got along, there was intermarriage, things were wonderful, everyone loved one another. Well a few years later the wall fell, news about Tito's wartime genocide was more publicly available,and the nation broke apart in a violent struggle that cracked the nation along ethnic, religious, and linguistic lines. Now that's diversity. You can have diversity if you also have empire, which may explain why empires seem to be the most common form of government in human history. As long as everyone feels they are being oppressed equally, than everyone can get along, but lift that hand of oppression, and suddenly everyone gets frisky. That's the Imperial method of diversity, which you mentioned by bringing up Rome, which has nothing to do with the US. In the case of the US, we've had extremely high periods of immigration, but not consistently. We had a period after the civil war when we were rapidly industrializing that brought in millions of foreigners to work, and that went all the way through to the 1920's. The US had a string of terrorist bombings by foreign born anarchists. Yes, I know it's racist to blame foreigners for terrorism - Tim McVeigh! - but in this case cutting off the flow of foreigners cut down on the bombings. So we went from the 20's to 1965 with rather limited immigration. During that time, we were assimilating the millions we had brought in. It was a different era, Most people were in favor of assimilating foreigners, to make them Americans, and most foreigners wanted to be assimilated. Immigration was much more a one way trip then, so if you left your village in Macedonia to come to the US there was a good chance you would never see your family again. You were not calling home or emailing every week. So assimilation was our strength, not diversity. E pluribus unum; out of many one. That's the secret of America's success. However about the same time we opened up the floodgates again we abandoned that ideal. You can draw your own conclusions on that.
We have black people in the upper echelons of our society, as well... does that mean that all Americans aren't racist? I'm curious, because you made a blanket statement for all of Rome, that because they have evidence of some black people in the highest echelons of their society, Rome must not have been racist. But wait... they also had black slaves. Wait again... the first slave owner in America was a black man, while black people owned white slaves and white people owned black slaves. Oh my goodness, the waters are muddying again. I'm at a loss.
You have to leave emotional arguments to one side, and be logical and face up to facts, not facts as cultural marxists would like them to be. People generally do not want to live in a multi ethnic/racial town or area or town. It is nothing to do with skin tone, and everything to do with social, behavioural, and cultural factors. Simple as that. You can see that in London. The ethnics move in en masse - the natives move out en masse. Not as a result of some mass meeting they had, at which they decided they would all be "hateful racists", but as a gradual and organic reaction, because it is natural that they prefer to live among their own. It is also logical that if you import the second or third world, the second or third world is what you get. And large parts of London resemble it. No one in their right mind would choose to live among that. I suspect that many of those self styled "anti racists", probably champion from it, from sububia. If a Londoner had wanted to live among that, he would have moved to Pakistan or something. A lot of the ethnics come here and simply want to replicate the culture and ways that the supposedly "wanted to get away from". It wouldn't be so bad if the culture was(ex) Japanese. But even then you would still have to be responsible with demographics. It is a totally different story if it is Pakistani's or Somalians and not Japanese. Based on real and genuine factors. The "anti racist" crowd are really doing no one any favours, if anything, by way of throwing an arrogant deaf ear to reasonable objections by the host people, they will serve to damage race relations more than any other thing, and they will hasten problems. The "anti racist" never wants to hear let alone understand fair points and objections, and all they serve to do is eventually alienate themselves with the mainstream. London has become like a mirror of the Near East. You have a large number of mainly Muslim immigrants, many not well educated or well off. Very tribal and with a chip on their shoulder. Then you have Jews cheesing off residents, the secular and humanist society, by draping wires and poles etc all over the place, turning them into some sort of Jewish religous zone. No one wants this, other than those that benefit directly from it. People are saying they do not want it. It is very dangerous not to listen to the people, and to keep arrogantly ignoring them. That kind of crap has no place in modern London in 2013, that is going backwards not forwards. That is not a modern and progressive society. If you took a national vote on this today, it would be declared a big fat NO TO IT, which is why we never get asked. It will get nasty in the end though, and all those that stifled the voices of the reasonable will have played a massive part in it(but as usual take no resp).
Most blacks and whites have been lied to about who really owned most of the slave ships and indeed, the slaves themselves. This has had the dual negative of whites adopting a false guilt, while blacks have had a conscious or unconscious chip on their shoulder about whites generic. Holywood has served to hammer home the "evil generic white" meme. Who really dominated that "trade"? The same people that dominate Holywood itself.
