The Jewish People and the US Left

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  1. Zorro

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    “For many liberal Jews, it was hard to ignore that it wasn’t the boogeyman white supremacists that they had been warned about their entire lives. No, it was their professors, their co-workers at the nonprofit, friends of their college-aged kids calling for an end to Israel and celebrating the murder of Jews. And these hateful marches were not happening in rural Alabama, in the places they were taught to fear, but mainly in the bluest of blue cities. . . . By Oct. 8, their ‘allies’ had already taken to the streets, some in grotesque glee over the slaughter of Jews in their homes, others tearing down posters of kidnapped children, to say Israel should just sit down and take it.”

    “To those who sat in the pews for years as their congregation became a shameless political operation, the time has now come to depart. Your synagogue must be a place of worship, not of political activity, and, unfortunately for you, who paid your dues and hoped to align with a community of your peers, the political movement your shul promotes is the one that hates you.”

    We wish you well.
    We wish you peace.
    We wish you safety.
    What you are experiencing here in America at their hands is unfair, unjust, undeserved, and they probably cannot be reasoned with.

    'College campuses across the country were erupting in Jew-hating outbursts, and parents were rightly worried about their Jewish college-aged kids caught up in the frenzy of hate. On Facebook, a group called Mothers Against College Antisemitism (M.A.C.A.) was founded and grew quickly to over 50,000 members. They shared information, emailed, called, and signed petitions. They stood united against the oldest hatred rearing its head again.'

    May God Bless the Moms.

    'Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman, a progressive Democrat, turned out to be a sane and forceful voice for Israel, conservative Jews celebrated him. It’s specifically because their religion and politics had not been fused in the same way as their liberal counterparts, and they could see clearly who had their back.'

    Another lesson that we should never give up hope. Who knew a year ago that Maher and Fetterman would reasoned voices of common sense today? As we learned so long ago in the Jewish scriptures, there is always a righteous remnant and there is always reason for hope and perseverance. I expect that the Jewish People will largely remain within the Left, but more aware of the rotten apples within the movement. A greater sense of where some of these currents would lead them, if the course is not changed, and leaders are not more carefully chosen. Please discuss.
     
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    'Small-c conservative Jews had heard it loud and clear that they no longer belong. What’s different today is that so many liberal Jews have realized their mistake. Many had their eyes opened on Oct. 7 when they expected their political allies to mourn with them, to fight the hate alongside them. Instead, they’ve realized that the rhetoric they had trumpeted in the past was now used against them. Worse, the tactics, the angry protests, the rage, had been turned on them.'

    That has to be a massive shock. It was Jews who marched Arm in Arm with MLK long before he was the celebrated hero that he is today.
     
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    What I’d like to know is how so many anti Jew terrorists got organized so fast. I’ll bet many of them never heard of Hamas or Gaza, and know very little about the region. All I can think of is they were racist anti Semites all along, or they just felt the need to release their inner hate and didn’t really need a reason as long as they shot their wad.
     
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    You are right. I just saw an article when a journalist asked protesters chanting "from the River to the Sea" and asked them: What River? What Sea?

    One guessed the Black River to the Red Sea. These are university students.
     
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    The most ardent anti-israelites are from the far right.
     
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    No. The left is rabidly anti-Israel.

    The far right is antisemitic, but they at least are honest about it.

    Huge parts of the traditionally antisemitic European far-right are now pro-Israel, not because they suddenly started to like Jews. They hate and fear Muslims a lot more, and are supporting Israel in the hope that Jews will fight and defeat the Muslim world for them.

    The left is now more antisemitic and more anti-Israel than the far-right, and a lot more delusional about their own beliefs.
     
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    I don't think that's necessarily the case and here's a sample. I don't see the left posting this type of stuff. Left anti-whatever seems to be mostly about students that couldn't even point to the middle east on a map fighting for a perceived under-dog. I.e. falling under the woke umbrella of activism.

    Interesting post though. Thanks.

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    Why did you post this? The far right claims that Jews are source of most of the anti-white hate and here you are showing tweets by Jews expressing their hatred of whites. Are these tweets real? Are you contending that right wingers posted this racial hatred? It isn't clear to me why you posted this image.

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    I posted this in discussion with the member Pisa. Try following our conversation.

    Why are you posting it?
     
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    You said you don't see the left posting hateful stuff and then provided an entire screenful of leftist Jews posting hateful stuff. It doesn't make any sense. You post evidence directly refuting your assertion and pretend that it proves your assertion. I am genuinely confused.
     
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    What's hilarious is the Jews who realized it was the hard right who was saying, "I hope the Jews stomp those Palestinians into the ground."
     
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    A nation and a race of people are not one and the same.
     
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    While hating Jews also.
     
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    A possible explanation:
    Fake Twitter accounts are impersonating Jews and promoting anti-Semitism
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/fake-...personating-jews-and-promoting-anti-semitism/
     
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    Was this the same people that chanted "the Jews will not replace us" in the UNite the Right rally a few years back?
     
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    Respect to Fetterman for not jumping on the bandwagon
     
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    I'm aware of the failings of both sides. I harbor no illusions regarding the motives of both sides.

    What I find extremely repugnant is that the left uncritically parrots Hamas propaganda. It makes me physically sick to think that anyone in the so-called civilized world would take the words of terrorists at face value.
     
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    Thank you for that. I asked him directly if if the posts were real and he would not answer. He just posted a string of hateful posts against white people with absolutely no context or explanation.

    Many countries consider America a terrorist country. I would have laughed at the contention twenty years ago. I would not laugh now. Regarding the Palestinians, I do not care what the Israelis do there as long they do not try to ship their problem to the West. We don't need or want Palestinian refugees just because Israel can't handle them. Israel founded their state there, it is their responsibility, not ours.
     
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    Never really understood that myself. Jews are caucasoids. I think the Jews caught a bad wrap from the communist ideology they brought forth and the socialist policy they still engage in to this day. At least that's why a lot of white Europeans don't like them. Thats one of the thing that escapes peoples understanding of the Nazi's. They didn't want to kill Jews because Jews were Jews. They wanted to kill Jews because most of the Jews were communists, the Nazi's identified the Jews as the originators and proponents of communism and the national socialists were their sworn enemies.
     
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    Well at the end of the day the Jews are white so I would have to think the white supremacists would have to support them over the Palestinians. Furthermore the Jews don't want to wipe us off the face of the planet like the Palestinians do.
     
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    The West created the Palestinian problem, the West must help solve the Palestinian problem.
     
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    Why were the Jews hated and persecuted in Europe before the advent of communism?
     
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    Well I have a few theories on that. First, and probably most causal (at least to the early years up through the 15th and 16th centuries) being they were associated with the death of Jesus and blamed for it. The old world was wholly identified with religion. It was pervasive, ubiquitous and omnipresent. It's no wonder in such an environment we would see dispersions cast upon those who are explicitly identified in the religious text as being at fault for the death of another religion's savior.

    I think this is exacerbated by the meritocracy the Jews have always valued (and as a side note why the Jews still believe socialism and communism work but I digress). They're already viewed with suspicion because why would you trust someone who is a part of a religion which would be so dishonest as to condemn the innocent savior of the world to death and on top of that they're outperforming you and out working you and just overall better off than their peers. So they're easy targets for scapegoating.
     
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    Just pointing out that the right also has problems with the Jews.
     
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    Well I certainly don't want to come across as making the argument that they don't. The Jews have few friends on either extreme of the political landscape. What they should do is align themselves with the middle.

    But what they've ACTUALLY been doing is aligning themselves with the more extreme left over the past few decades as they viewed them as allies in the fight against the extreme right. In reality however, how many of them can say they've ACTUALLY met a skinhead or a legitimate Nazi? While they certainly exist, They're more akin to a Boogie Man than a real threat.

    But that hardcore blue green and purple haired tranny loving antifa supporting pro-Palestinian LGBTQ activist is very real and there are tens of thousands of them if not more. And somewhere in that Jews mind is that these are the same people that advocate for violence on those white supremacists and people who support them. They're the same people who have no problem putting masks on and picking up objects and throwing them at police and people they don't like. And now they're pro-Palestinian... which we all know means anti-Jew.

    My daddy may have been a redneck but he told me, "boy, if you lay down with dogs you're gonna get fleas." Looks like the Jews on the left are going to find that out the hard way.
     
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