What a courageous lady, standing up for a peaceful minority - Muslims!

The association is not invented out of thin air. Islam does have a lot of source material to justify the terrorists interpretations of the Koran, and islamic history also... so the religion of Islam is not entirely divorced from the Islamic terrorists. It would be easier if it were, but it aint. Go read the Koran if you have not already, it reads so bloody divisive and insular it can easily be seen as a manifesto for terrorism - hence why it so frequently is.

The ones who are reading the most into it are the moderates, they have dull it down. Like the Jews have to dull down the old testament to follow it, and the Christians had a new testament to override and update the garbage in the old testament. The Koran is just a rejigged old testament, modified to suit the particular needs of that local culture. At the heart of it was competing models of economy, with the muslim's not taxing trade only wealth, and Europe taxing trade and wealth... so poor communities much preferred the islamic governance on monetary grounds. Basically Islam is a political ideology masquerading as a religion, always has been.

 

Isn't it obvious?

We need to bomb our way to peace.

The only good terrorist, is a dead terrorist.

Team Australia! Mission accomplished! 'Merica!

 

Absolutely, We need to separate these loonies from Islam as much as we can. Real Muslims don't want to be associated with ISIS terrorists as much as real Christians don't want to be associated with the KKK or any other extremists group claiming to be Christian.

 

For god's sake don't propogate this "real Muslim" nonsense. You say IS aren't "real Muslims", they say moderate Muslims aren't "real Muslims", around and around it goes.

Yes IS are Muslims, and yes KKK are Christians. We don't need revisionist nonsense just because it makes some people uncomfortable by association.

 

A small percentage of nutters who proclaim to be representative of a particular religion certainly does not give them a right to be representative of that religion, especially being so far from sound doctrine that lacks respect for human life. Taking that small representation to override the ideals, beliefs and values of the substantially larger percentage is superficially ignorant. By acknowledging or accepting their extremist links to a religion just gives these loonies oxygen and justification.

 

Problem is, the religion of Islam is behind a lot of violence throughout the islamic world and those countries which neighbour it. Look at Africa these days, and the Sunni-Shia conflict throughout the Middle East which has been going on for around 1400 years... not to mention the violation of human rights in various islamic countries. It's the same stuff driving that which the IS uses to justify its beliefs to itself - just taken to another level. Islam is rotten, and only muslims can fix it... but I don't think they really want to. Did you see how much money Saudi Arabia gifted to the Malaysian PM to 'spread islam', like a billion dollars within 2 years.

 

Nothing like wanting Australia to have the same problems the EU is having.

 

No 30,000 people is not "representative" of a religion of over 1 billion people.

While we're at it, the SS weren't "real Germans", the Catholic Priests who raped children weren't "real Christians", the LRA weren't "real Christians", and the colonists who slaughtered Aborigines weren't "real Australians", and the Saudis (who still carry out state sanctioned public beheadings and stonings, by the way) aren't "real Muslims" either. I love me a bit of revisionist history!

So it's Team Australia vs the Death Cult then. Sounds like a pub quiz.

I'm sure the type of people who have been joining ISIS will be dissuaded if some westerners assert that they're only "terrorists" and not "real Muslims". That will definitely take the "oxygen" out of their well publicised beheadings and mass executions where they recite Islamic dogma. It will totally convince everyone, that the group whose stated goal is to establish a global caliphate starting in Iraq and Syria, doesn't actually have any links to Islam.

Problem solved!

 

Of course they weren't real representatives of their religions. It's ludicrous to even suggest that the priest playing around with young boys is a representative of Christianity. They were sick old men who fancied boys and called themselves Christians. Of course the colonists who slaughtered aborigines is not representative of their religion.

These "so called" Muslim terrorists conjure up support by using their proclamation targeting vulnerable and disenfranchised young people, especially after an attack.
Just call them terrorists and stop giving them oxygen to spread their deluded cause based on a deluded belief in their given religion.

Anders Breivik was a good Christian boy......no, he was simply an extremist nutjob!

 

Well, where are the rest of the 900,000,000 + Muslims saying these 30,000 radicals DON'T represent them? I don't hear them?

If an Australian was running around raping and beheading people, and saying he/she was doing it in YOUR name and your religion. Wouldn't you be the first to publicly say that individual doesn't represent you or your religion?

 

If, for instance, the Australian's fighting for ISIS declared they represented Australia. No I don't think I would feel a need to "publicly announce" that they do not represent me.

Plenty of Muslims condemn terrorism. People claim to want them to do this, but they also don't really care or take any notice when they do. So I don't really see the point. If Muslims had to publically announce that they didn't support whatever crazy (*)(*)(*)(*) was happening in the ME or Africa everytime it happened, it would consume their whole lives.

 

Now you're even making a distinction between official representatives like Priests, and so called "real representatives".

It's all just a bit too convenient to dismiss people as not a "real" member of the group. Last time I checked faith was the only test of your religion, certainly not a lack of "sin".

Is "they're just terrorists" really a convincing argument that's going to stop their recruitment in its tracks? Seems pretty naive.

Anders Breivik is a Christian, and a terrorist, but no he doesn't represent the other 2 billion Christians in the world.

 

So what exactly do you want these 900000000 to do, maybe they could sign a petition and send it to IS. Damn 30000 to 1, ok chaps let's pack up and go home, we could have won if it wasnt for CDs petition.

 

‘That’s very interesting to know that you would feel obliged to stick your head in the sand if a large group of people were terrorists, and committing atrocities in your countries name, and your religions name.

You suggest that plenty of Muslim people have condemned IS and terrorist attacks, but where are they?

We might see one or two independent Muslim people speaking out against these terrorist attacks, but where are the Muslim communities as a whole speaking out against these terrorist attacks against Western societies?

Islam has close to one billion worshipers, and to suggest a hand-full of Muslim people speaking out against Muslim terrorist attacks against Western societies represents the vast majority of “silent” Muslims, is complete nonsense.

Is asking for a public demonstration denouncing Muslim terrorism against Western society expecting too much loyalty?

 

No, faith without works is dead is what the good book says. It also says love covers a multitude of sin; The 2nd greatest Christian commandment is to love thy neighbour as yourself; If you do not have love, you are like a tinkling cymbal and sounding brass. Both fresh and salt water cannot come from same spring. Simple concept really.

So, no they aren't real as far as I'm concerned. They're imposters, frauds or wolves in sheeps clothing.

There is nothing naive in drawing distinctions. It is actually ignorant to paint everyone with the same brush while also promoting their cause. It's like the media and governments would love nothing more to entrap by conjuring up negative sentiment. It is completely inappropriate.
We'll have to agree to disagree it seems.

 

http://www.fianz.co.nz/node/515

 

That's what you call a useful idiot.

I'm sure she's not aware that Muslims frequently took women and children as war booty, on command of Muhammad. Indeed, the Muslims valiantly, after butchering the family of the Jewess Safiyah bint Huyayy at the Battle of Khaibar, married her off to Muhammad after her husband was tortured to death by the Muslims for his treasure. Ah, true love.

And according to authentic traditions, captive males were inspected for pubic hairs. If they had any, they were executed.

And then liberals wonder why ISIS is acting how it acts.

 

Violence is a part of Islam. That isn't refuted except for a very small minority of (mostly Western converts) Muslims who don't seem to have done much research in the Quran and Hadiths.

The real issue with most Muslims is whether or not the violence is allowed per there being or not being a Caliph in power (typically Muslims say the violence isn't allowed because certain violent issues are to be carried out by a Caliph's order only) as opposed to violence itself being immoral and/or against the teachings of Islam.

Simply Muslims "condemning" a violent act doesn't mean the Muslims are necessarily against the type of violence used. It could just mean that since there is no truly recognized Caliph in power that the violence isn't allowed in that context, NOT that the violence was actually wrong in and of itself.

Westerners don't get that, but then they've never studied Islam.

 

Breivik actually wasn't a Christian and even if he was, his actions aren't necessarily tied to the teachings of the faith by default. You're making a false comparison.

Islam teaches violence toward unbelievers. Christianity simply does not.

 

I could say I represent all the Australian community by saying Muslims are not welcome in Australia. But that would mean nothing, unless I have the community standing by my side when I'm saying it.

 

Why do you hate their guts? If you are a Christian, and your replies suggests exactly that, you should also love them.
The peaceful majority that is.....
Regards

 

Have you converted from Islam?

 

You don't represent Jack shiit. Except another Muslim hater...
Regards

 

You mean, like this:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s720095.htm

?

I don't exactly know what you expect. You want them to take to the streets or something? Like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...am-media-outlets-say-organisers-a6765976.html

?

I can easily find thousands of examples of Muslims in western countries condemning terrorism and terrorists publically.

Maybe people don't hear about it, ignore it, assume they're lying, etc. Maybe for some people nothing will ever convince them.

Just because I happen to fall into the same descriptive label as someone doesn't mean I am actually "connected" to them in any way, other than presumably in the minds of some highly deluded people.

I also don't feel a need to publically announce that people like the aforementioned Anders Breivik don't represent me, as I would be to some randoms overseas just because they happen to be from the same country as me or to be the same "race" as me, just because they might "claim" to "represent me" in some bizarre extremely disconnected way.

I mean if they personally identified me, or they personally confronted me, then I would obviously respond.

Also, if I felt that the community actually blamed me for these things and believed that I did have some association with them, or supported them, etc, then yes I imagine I would try to respond in an effort to dissuade them of this. But, this hasn't happened to me and it seems unlikely that it would in this country.

But sure, in a few places overseas I've encountered people who were very aggressive towards me and hated me because I was white and privileged. Have to go through the motions of trying to explain that not all white people are murderous bastards who take advantage of poor people. It's pretty tiring, even on a short term basis. Presumably a lot of Muslims cop similar abuse. Mainly it just makes you tire of interacting with these people.

 

You say he wasn't he a Christian. And yet, he was baptised, considers himself a Christian, and the basis for a lot of his nonsense is Christian history, and texts. He is particularly obsessed with the Christian crusades.

Doesn't mean what he did was something that Jesus would approve of, or that his interpretation of the world or Christianity is "correct", etc.