What is the logic behind a magazine restriction?

Proof is required if you are trying to debate. You have not convinced anyone that Laws curb suicides.

 

Proof is not required in a debate on politics. In fact proof is almost impossible to provide in a debate on politics. Too many variables. I have provided evidence which is enough

 

In any debate, you are trying to persuade others to see your point of view. You have failed. You have not made an argument other than "it works". Truth is we don't know if it works. Correlation does not imply causation. If you research a little you will find there are many factors of why states have higher/lower suicide rates. No where in any of the research have I found anything the attributes laws to suicide rates.

 

But the case can be made that if gun deaths go down in all the states with strict gun laws and all the first world countries with strict gun laws then a case can be made for causality. You can NEVER prove a complex scientific point like this....but the evidence is pretty strong.

 

Those who choose to make post hoc arguments fully understand they have no other hope of proving their position.

 

Well if one understands basic science one would know that science never PROVES any position. LOL

 

I don't agree. All of the suicide prevention websites point to many other variables. Here is a compelling one.... It's not that the states with strict gun laws have lower suicide rates nearly as much as the many of the states with higher rates of suicide have circumstances that are typical of suicide risks. States like Montana, Idaho, Alaska and other northern states have higher risk.

Many expets believe that suicide rates peak during the winter months. Intuitively, this makes sense given the existence of seasonal affective disorder and the tendency to associate depression with winter. Harsh weather increases the prevalence of diseases such as pneumonia and hypothermia, which have mainly been from the minimal amount of sunlight in the winter time. In turn, this notion is indicative of the winter season having a general association with suicide rates. Some also believe that “holiday cheer amplifies loneliness and hopelessness in people who have lost loved ones, or who have high expectations of renewed happiness during the holiday season, only to be disappointed”.

There is simply too many other variables to make your argument. Correlation does not imply causation.

 

And you should not. Correlation does not prove causation.

 

You are buying into a common myth about suicide. SAD does happen in the winter but suicides actually peak in the springtime and summer. Kind of blows your theory out of the water.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200904/sunshine-and-suicide

 

It doesn't mean that correlation implies causation. There are simply too many factors. Both in the states with lower rates and higher rates.

 

The reason proof is not given is because proof can't be given. Causation ca NEVER be proven. All science does is provide evidence...and I have provided enough to make the case

 

You have one point. hardly "enough proof".
Why are 4 of the top 10 states with the most gun suicides, not states with strict gun laws?
Why do many of these states have high non gun related suicides?

 

Name them. Do you mean per capita?

 

Then why we have less gun deaths now with less national gun control?

 

Don't forget that only 3 of the 15 states with the lowest per-capita gun-related murder rates have strict gun control laws.

 

We have many other forms of state gun control

 

50% of suicides are non firearm related.
4 of 10 states with the highest suicide rates, are not states with strict gun laws.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/spr08gunprevalence/spr08stateranksuicide-2/

 

Which states are you claiming do not have strict gun control

 

And the states with the least gun control have the smallest homicide rates.

 

And the highest gun death rates

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That statement is simply not true

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

 

The FBI stats prove that my statement is true, and that means if these states with the lower homicide rates, have higher gun death rates overall, that suicides must be the reason for the elevated death rates. We know this because if you do your research, these states have the highest suicide rates including non gun related suicides. You know this to be true, so why do you keep pushing this "death rate" stat in an effort to muddy the waters between homicides and suicides?
Gun laws don't prevent legal gun owners from killing themselves by any means.
Seriously, if you are sitting home with your legal gun, is there anything that can stop you from using it to kill yourself.... common sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state#data

 

Reduce them to what extent? How do you know a law is proving to be effective at all, when you have nothing but hypothetical speculation to compare it to?

 

Because I don't have hypothetical specualtion. I have evidence. What you want is proof....which does not exist for any scientific argument. LOL

 

What you have is the vague terminology "firearm deaths" which involves every instance in which a death occurs, and a firearm may be involved to some extent. However this is a broad, umbrella term used to encompass suicides, homicides, justified killings by law enforcement, and self defense where deadly force is legally used. Of the various categories it is only firearm-related homicides that have any relevance at all, regardless of what you wish to claim to the contrary. Suicides are of absolutely no relevance to the discussion, and they only reason they are involved is for the purpose of intellectual dishonesty, because the facts simply do not support the position of the one making the argument.

 

It is a very accurate term that does not allow for any leeway. Gun control reduces firearm deaths. Crystal clear.