What is the logic behind a magazine restriction?

"Gun deaths" is too generic. I know that on this forum, with all the debates we have watched you participate, you have been on the losing end. Finally you have one statistic that you feel makes your case and you are clutching onto it for dear life.
But....
To fully understand the issues, and consider solutions, you have to break it down to the lowest element. One size does not fit all.
It's the same for the state vs city argument. To find accuracy and solutions, you have to break it down to the city, and even the zip code in some cases. Some states have several metro high crime areas and some states have maybe one big city and the rest of the state is rural. It doesn't make sense to apply the stats to the whole state when there is one concentrated area that is the problem.
It's the same for "gun deaths" vs "homicides" vs "suicides". One stat doesn't paint an accurate picture. We expect that you will continue to clutch onto that stat, even though it doesn't really provide an accurate description of how these people are dying.

The solution for suicides are completely different than the solutions for criminal homicide.
I have provided homicide data.
I have provided suicide data.

 

You said that state gun control don't work and that's why we need national gun control. Lets go with your claim for a minute. If that's true then why when my state of Florida when it passed its shall issue carry law crime rate went down?

 

It is important for you to use the smallest sample groups possible. Every one knows the smaller the sample size the more likely for a statistical error. But count only certain streets if you like. Large numbers give the best data. And that is what I will use.

 

But wait...
Strong state gun control laws supposedly leads to fewer gun deaths.
Someone must not remember which fabricated story he's telling.

 

This would work for an argument if the sample groups were not two completely different issues. You would be right if it were only a suicide issue or only a homicide issue. Combining the two just muddies the water. They are not the same thing.
Possible suicide solution.... get mental heath help.
Possible homicide solution..... incarceration.
These two factors can only be combined when anti gunners cite a statistic to deceive the unknowing that homicide and suicide are the same thing.

 

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Which specific category experiencing the greatest reduction in the number of deaths occurring annually? You do not get to argue across the board, you must be specific.

 

I was quite specific. We want to reduce gun deaths and I showed very clearly that gun control does just that. I am sorry this fact frustrates you so much but it will still be a fact. Perhaps it would be better fior you simply to accept the facts.

 

Vague, all-encompassing generalities are in no way an example of being specific.

Homicides and suicides are two entirely different categories, and operate under differing standards of approach. An approach to addressing one cannot, in any way, be made to work for the other. Therefore it is an example of intellectual dishonesty to be arguing from the position that you currently are.

You have yet to present anything resembling facts. You have presented catchphrases and slogans, and nothing else. You state that firearm restrictions work, but you make no effort to explain how they work, why they work, or what circumstances could result in it not working.

 

I have presented clear evidence.

 

WHERE???? We all missed it...can you do it again?

 

I am sorry you missed it. Reread the thread and you will find it.

 

We all did...it wasn't there....awwwww you don't really live in Colorado do you...schucks here I thought it was a battle of the wits but you came unarmed hehehehe

 

No I do not live in colorado. You might be able to tell where I live from my screen name. In law enforcement we call that a clue. LOL

 

Naw you live in Colorado...It's a fact.

 

Okey dokie pokey. LOL

 

Finally a truth....Thanks!

 

Your debate style could use some tweaking. The idea of a debate is to make an effort to persuade others as to your point of view. Your entire argument is based on one stat that is a generality, and you refuse to back it up with any logic or critical thinking. This debate style is not respected or given any validity on any debate website. We understand why you are doing this.... That stat is all you got, so continue to dismiss anything that tries to dissect it and examine it closer and get to the truth.

 

I have presented valid evidence that is easily verifiable. I have also stated that every first world country has statistically lower gun deaths than we do because of gun control. How much do you need?

 

Your evidence consists of one stat.

Let's put this in perspective.
These two true statements below are misleading. If we want understand the complete truth, we must do further research, and uncover as many facts as possible. You clearly want to provide more facts about the second statement, but refuse to acknowledge any other facts regarding the first statement. Why is that?
Could it be that to pry further might blow your argument out of the water?

The states with the least gun control has the highest gun death rate.
The most gun homicides are in California.

 

Your first statement is correct. Low gun control does lead to a lot of gun deaths. The second ignores per capita data which is just silly

 

Here are a bunch more stats if that is what you need
http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-does-gun-control-work-18374

 

I have often said this about fully auto weapons

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/05/1176478/-Simple-proof-that-gun-control-works

 

You really said nothing here. But specifics seem to be difficult for you.

 

The first statement ignores that the states with the least gun control has the lowest gun homicide rates.

Both statements are true unless you do some honest further investigation.

 

All I have done is honest investigation