What's the Christian argument against rock music?

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    What you said was true. Peter Criss said that he believed in the devil, to create sensationalism, and feed into the controversy that Christians created. However, why did Bob Marley say that he was a friend of the devil?

    http://www.power-living.com/blog/category/bobmarley/page/5/

    Bob Marley wasn't accused of being satanic, like KISS was. Was he trying to feed into controversy that Christians created about him? Nope. He already had all the attention and fame and fans he wanted. The only controversy he had was the controversy over his marijuana smoking.
     
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    Bob Marley's statement was specific to saying the Devil will come to a person in the form of a friend in order to make that person feel at ease and thus be able to corrupt that person.

    Personally I don't believe in a Devil.

    People are quite capable of being vicious enough all on their own.

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    But why did Bob Marley say that the devil was a "good friend"? He even claimed to have shaken hands with the devil. If Bob marley didn't worship the devil, why would he (who professed to be a religious rastafarian who loved God) say something like that?
     
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    Bob Marley was saying this as an ANALOGY.

    Sort of like the GODSMACK song called VOODOO which is about doing HEROIN and the lyrics go...."I'm not the one who's so far away when I feel the snake bite enter my vein."

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    What was it an analogy for? Also, was Bob Marley saying that he was a friend of the devil, or that other people were friends of the devil? I've watched video interviews of bob marley, and he speaks in riddles often.
     
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    Bob was saying this as a way of admitting that he as well as all men have our weaknesses and faults.

    Bob was saying that he too was a friend of the Devil as he was saying that he was no different from everyone else having Human weaknesses of conviction and morality.

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    Let's forget about Bob Marley for a moment. What about Bob Dylan? In a video interview with Ed Bradley, Bradley asked him why he's still on tour. Dylan replied by saying that a long time ago, he made a bargain with the chief commander of this earth (the bible describes satan as the god of this world) to "get where he is now", and he's holding up his end of the bargain. Isn't Bob Dylan technically implying that he sold his soul to the devil for fame?

    [video=youtube;IqvvOD4bdRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvvOD4bdRs[/video]
     
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    If you believe this I have some SWAMP LAND IN FLORIDA on sale....going fast so get in on the ground floor with just 100 easy payments of $999.99.

    There does not exist a Satan or Devil.

    Of THAT I am certain.

    Jury is still out on there being a GOD.

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    If God exists, then the devil exists (and vice versa). Why do you doubt the existence of God? I can prove that God is real. Countless atheists became Christians after seeing visions of heaven. Look up youtube videos about it.
     
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    Sam...I was clinically dead for a short time.

    Do you know what happens just before a person is about to die?

    You don't see your whole life flash before your eyes.

    You don't have heavenly visions or hear horns.

    You say a SINGLE WORD....and you audibly say it just before you know you are about to die.

    You say..."Oh S#!%!"

    When you come back it is if you were sleeping without dreaming.

    That's it.

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    If the devil isn't real, then why did Bob Dylan say that he made a bargain with him for fame?
     
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    Just another method of gaining press coverage and publicity in any form.

    You know what they say....there is no such thing as Bad Press!

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    Many people have had near death experience, not all are the same. I wont pretend i know or have all the answers

    Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed
     
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    I don't claim to have all the answers either and that is why I am an AGNOSTIC.

    One thing I do know.

    The more a person is educated to the realities that are Quantum Mechanics and Quark Particle/Wave Form Transference within Hadrons....as well as beginning to understand Multiversal Theory....and QUANTUM EVOLUTION....the more a person begins to understand such things it becomes OBVIOUSLY apparent just how complex and interconnected Universal Systems are specifically how close Matter....which is is COMPLETELY COMPRISED of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy....how Matter that comprised lifeless objects IS NO DIFFERENT FROM MATTER THAT COMPRISES LIVING STRUCTURES.

    If you want to understand this last part look into what a VIRUS really is.

    A Virus IS NOT ALIVE....and the two men that won a Nobel Prize in Virology won the prize in the CHEMISTRY CATEGORY...not the Biology Category as a Virus is not living.

    Yet a Virus has within it DNA just like we do and every time we get a Virus such as a Cold...the Virus encodes it's DNA directly into the Human Genome.

    The thing is a Virus existed BEFORE Life existed on this Planet.

    We can track this fact Genetically as all Genomes of all Life Forms has ONE specific ancient Viral DNA encoding within them.

    The ONLY way this could be is if the original Single Celled Organism on Earth from which all Life Evolved was infected by this ancient Virus and then survived the infection and thus as this original life form reproduced splitting via Mitosis all subsequent generations of life passed this Viral DNA encoding down to the next generation and this went on as life evolved in all forms and this ancient Viral DNA encoding can be found today within all Genomes of all life forms.

    But we know this happened because only ONE VIRAL DNA ENCODING amount the huge numbers of others encoded into all life forms genomes is the SAME.

    A Virus fools chemically a living cell into taking it in as food or O2....then the Virus reprograms the cells DNA and forces it to replicate the Virus until the living cell has so many Virus inside it the cell membrane EXPLODES thus helping spread the Virus on to infect other cells.

    But as I said...a Virus is NOT living.

    This shows us how very little difference there is between Living and None Living Matter.

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    What did this line mean?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Were you always an agnostic?
     
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    I explain already but will do so again.

    Since Christian's don't seem to want to take responsibility for evil or self destructive issues as they believe SATAN is responsible in the manner...THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT...Bob was simply expressing that concept as saying the Devil influences a person by first becoming their friend.

    I was raised a Christian.

    I later moved to rectify that mistake.

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    Did you believe in Christian theology (ie, Jesus died for sins, the old and new testament stories)? A lot of people go to church and believe in some sort of God/higher power, but they don't necessarily accept everything the bible says as true.
     
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    As am i.

    If we have multi-layer universes or multiple dimensions, then theoretically advanced beings may be able to traverse them. I often wonder if a god or even Jesus was one of these. Imagine being asked, where did the world come from ect? How to explain that to minds that thought the world was flat, give them simple answers that doesnt burst their bubble. Are humans some sort of a hybrid experiment even, made in gods image? Again ive no idea, thats why i think Agnostic is the only logical position to hold. We have Theists and Atheists that claim to know, perhaps deep inside them they truly believe they do know, for me its just lots of questions with no answers.
     
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    I believe Jesus existed and was a good man.

    As for Jesus being the son of GOD....perhaps in a metaphysical sense I could accept this as what I think is GOD is very different from what most Christian's think is GOD.

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    Well...we have fully mapped the Human Genome and have also mapped thousands of other species Genomes.

    Because of this we know we Human's evolved right here on Planet Earth and other than having a large brain comparable to body size...as that is key for a high level of intelligence....having a brain that is large for the body as an elephant has a massive brain and is very intelligent....but it also has a large body.

    A Crow has a huge brain for it's body and a Crow has been determined to have the same intelligence level as a Chimp...as Crows use and fabricate tools just as we do.

    Anyways...we KNOW....we were not a hybrid nor do we have Alien DNA...unless the planet was seeded with life from another via meteor.

    One thing I am aware of...a GOD in the manner described by the Bible or Koran or Torah....no.

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    Maybe I was taking Bob Marley's quote out of context. But how do you explain the Rolling Stones? I am getting all of these quotes from their book of interviews, and they make it quite clear what their beliefs are.

    If the Rolling Stones weren't satanists, why are those quotes in their book of interviews?
     
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    Back in the day...the 60's and 70's....it was easy for even a mediocre band never mind the Rolling Stones...to get a HUGE amount of press if anyone said anything about Satan or Crowley or Devil Worship.

    Jim Morrison was known to be involved with a self proclaimed Witch who evidently drank blood with Morrison.

    When asked about doing this by the press....Jim Morrison replied...."Hey...I was really F@%#&# UP!"

    In reality there really are very few in the music business who are actual Satanic Practitioners.

    Besides...Devil Worship is a Religion and is protected under the Constitution right along with Christianity.

    Who am I or who is anyone else to say it is any of our business?

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    Do you think the Rolling Stones are a mediocre band? Also, why would the rolling stones need to resort to shock value for publicity? The book "the rolling stones-in their own words", where I got those quotes from Keith Richards from, was published in 1981. The Rolling Stones were already world famous. They had all the attention and fans they needed. Shock value was totally unnecessary at that point, to get more fans and attention.
     
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    During a 1969 Concert at Altamont during the performance by The Rolling Stones, a fan attempted to climb on stage, and was driven off by members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club and then was stabbed to death by a Hells Angel.

    This murder happened while the Rolling Stones played the song...SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL.

    In what can be only considered one of the most BRILLIANT MARKETING PLOYS in History....a spokesman for the Stones announced after the show that the Rolling Stones expressed their deepest sympathies for the family of the murdered man and as well then announced that the Rolling Stones had decided NEVER to again play their song SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL.

    And they did play that song for years...decades....and you know what happened....Album Sales for the album that had that song on it SKYROCKETED!!!

    There is ALWAYS an ulterior motive when any rock band mentions either GOD or the DEVIL.

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    Why did Elvis Presley (according to the book-elvis what happened) read Helena Blavatksy's (she was an occultist) books on stage to his audience? He already had all the fame and attention and publicity he wanted. He didn't do it for shock value or publicity.
     

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