What's the Christian argument against rock music?

What you said is true. Jay Z and Kevin Jonas are average/mediocre musicians who do stupid things to get attention so that they stay "in style". Creating controversy does keep a singer in the spotlight and it can help them to stay relevant. Some musicians (such as miley cyrus and Madonna) create controversy by dressing immodestly, and some of them use anti religious imagery for attention (for example, kanye west mocks Christianity by comparing himself to Jesus.)

However, musicians like John Lennon and Bob Marley were musical icons who not only produced excellent music, but are viewed as icons by millions of people till this day. They had no reason to rely on gimmicks to create controversy or to sell records and stay relevant. They already had all the attention and fans that they could ever want.

Here's some quotes from them, where they implied that they sold their souls for fame.

1-On John Lennon's biography by Ray Coleman, it's mentioned that lennon told his friend tony sheridan (speaking of the beatles success) that he sold his soul to the devil.

Also, one of the people that john lennon "liked and admired", and even put on the sgt pepper album cover, was aleister crowley. Some people think that crowley was put there as a joke, but the fact that John Lennon quoted him in interviews, and said that "do what thou wilt" was the beatles philosophy, shows that Lennon really did admire him.

2-Bob Marley said that he was a "good friend" of the devil. It's mentioned on page 148 of his biography by Stephen Davis. Stephen Davis is a reliable biographer who interviewed Bob marley. This is the full quote.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bobmarley578981.html

What's your explanation for those quotes that I mentioned? Why did Bob Marley say that he was a friend of the devil, and why did John Lennon admire aleister crowley, (who was a devil worshiper and a very evil person)?

 

Has it not occurred to you that part of the reason these examples stayed high profile was because they added 'street cred' to great talent? You seem quite fetishist about this. In fact, extraordinarily focused on one VERY narrow way of looking at someone like Crowley - it's a bit like suggesting he was evil because he wore purple socks. If you see spooks as readily as this, your life must be quite exhausting.

Have you actually met any 'devil worshippers'? My guess is that you haven't. In which case it's worth reminding you that Christians often claim that a specific religion doesn't make you a good or bad person. Crowley was a complex person, who was far more than this one single data point (his alleged worship of a particular 'god'), just like you

 

Play DETROIT ROCK CITY for me again Sam. LOL!!!

Sorry...Casablanca came to mind as Casablanca Records was the band KISS's Recording Label! LOL!!!

After a few Mid-Western Christian Groups somehow got the crazy idea that the letters in KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service and for what reason they thought this no one has any idea.....a Grass Roots Christian Movement to BURN AND DESTROY KISS RECORDS began.

Gene Simmons the consummate business person was asked what he thought about such groups burning and destroying KISS records replied..."Hey...smash them...burn them...destroy them...I could care less as long as they BUY THEM....I will be more than happy to show up and throw a KISS ALBUM right in the fire with them!"

AboveAlpha

 

They said the same thing about the waltz

 

Knights in Satan's Service ........... mondo snorffles

These Christians are such childlike creatures, no? It's positively Disneyesque!

 

and the Tango. man, that dance is straight from the nightclubs of hades!

what's amusing about these two in particular, is that they're both now the preserve of ballroom. a haven for effete ladymen and fake tanned blonde slappers. as sexy a combination as dog poo and tax accounting.

 

Was the song "god of thunder" written before or after Christians started believing the KISS stood for "knights in satan's service" rumor?

Also, if KISS isn't really an evil band, why did Peter Criss say this?

This is not a rumor that somebody started. This is a quote from one of the band members of KISS.

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Waltzs are boring. I dislike old school music-including frank sinatra's boring songs.

 

Actually any of the Latin dances are extremely evocative

 

well, yes they are. just not so much when danced by an effete ladyman and a tandoori tanned slapper.

 

Not 300 years ago when it was invented. Imagine a boy and a girl touching body parts OMG the scandal - Also being in 3/4 time was extremely naughty from a theological point of view

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Not 300 years ago when it was invented. Imagine a boy and a girl touching body parts OMG the scandal - Also being in 3/4 time was extremely naughty from a theological point of view

 

Why would a waltz be scandalous? Dirty dances (such as twerking) are scandalous even in modern times, and they would especially be scandalous 300 years ago. But what's so immodest or dirty about a waltz?

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Are you talking about salsa dances?

 

1-What does that have anything to do with the lennon/marley quotes that I posted?

2-Here's an analogy. If somebody says that they admire Billy Graham (who is a famous christian writer), that person is probably a christian. If John Lennon admired Crowley and even quoted him in interviews and put him on his album cover, doesn't that imply that John Lennon was into the occult?

Why do you think my views on Crowley/lennon are narrow?

 

Well...God of Thunder was on the same album as Detroit Rock City which was the record DESTROYER released on March 15, 1976.

On that same album Destroyer KISS had a GRAMMY AWARD WINNING SONG....Beth.

So it would seem that that album their 4th over all 5th if you count ALIVE...which was a live Album recording of their first 3 albums released.....was the period KISS was highly visible in the media...so I suppose that could be when those Christian Grass Root Groups started the issue...not an issue for KISS anyways! LOL!!

Peter Criss was basically saying what a member of KISS would be saying...anything to sensationalize the band.

AboveAlpha

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By the way...God of Thunder was all about Gene Simmons being the bands BASS PLAYER....as his bass playing was likened to the sound of THUNDER.

Good song by the way.

AboveAlpha

 

my point is that they may well have been 'into crowley', who knows. what does any of that have to do with reality? do you think that them saying that means the devil is real? do you think them saying that means they were evil people themselves? do you think there was nothing more to Crowley than a professed interest in your biblical satan?

besides any of that, the point remains regarding publicity. we can't know how much was marketing, and how much was them talking about their actual personal interests. or perhaps it was both!

 

1-Both God and the devil are real. Go to youtube and type in "atheist became christian" and lots of people tell testimonies of how God changed their life.

2-What exactly are you trying to argue about crowley?

 

Anti-religious themes really don't cause that much controversy/sensationalism. For example, Kanye West blasphemes Jesus by calling himself "yeezus", yet 90% of people who gossip about the Kanye West usually only talk about the kardashians and his wedding.

If God of Thunder was only about gene simmons, then why does he sing about demons in that song?

 

that'd be because it's 2014.

the notion of blasphemy is long gone - though it's sort of endearing that you think it's still a thing

 

Yep!

Back in 1976 or 1977....such a thing was big news.

Not anymore.

AboveAlpha

 

What year do you think it stopping being big news and most people didn't care about religion anymore?

 

We started to think like grown ups about this stuff around the middle of last century. The sixties kicked us well forward, and demonstrated that there are more ethical and more moral positions than those religion would have had us believe. While religion wallowed in antiquated and smutty obsessions with controlling sexuality, a deliberate climb to higher ground revealed much wrong with what people had previously accepted without question. We rose above such patriarchal and self-interested trivialities, and gave proper regard to gender equality, racial equality, a stance against war, and the realisation that we needed to care for the planet. So yeah, the sixties were when we made a little leap forward en masse.

Elderly people (and a few youngsters) may well care about religion. And I dare say there are some old timers who still think blasphemy is a thing, but in many places in the western world such notions are the preserve of comedy. Just as is the Victorian idea that dining table legs must be covered lest they arouse the menfolk with their sleek curves. Is it possible you've been living in a basement bomb shelter since 1964?

 

What are dining table legs?

 

I'm sure there are still some who think rock music is evil, but most Christians have bigger fish to fry these days. Like how do we keep those priests and ministers from buggering those little boys.

 

Same year all those Catholic Priests were arrested for being Pedophiles and some Baptist Ministers being arrested for the same reason as well as theft and fraud of Ministry donations and asserts

AboveAlpha.

 

The was a HUGE number of people who left the church after the Jim and Tammy Fae Baker thefts.

Tammy Fae was said to have spent over $1 Million of Ministry money a year just on makeup and beauty products and spas.


AboveAlpha

 

Plus people kind of expect that the words CORRUPTION and CHRISTIANITY go together and people just are not surprised about anything anymore as just about the worse things that could be associated with a church or ministry has already happened.

Unfortunate but true.

AboveAlpha