When is God's love unconditional.....

(I meant how in the title, not when....)

I have always found this wierd......God is said to have unconditional love for all of his creations.......

But, this is no true. His condition is that we bow down in worship of him. If you refuse to do this, it does not matter how good of a person you are, or what kind of life you lived, you will burn in hell. This is one of the biggest contridictions found in the bible.

 

Funny, I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything close to your dribble.

 

First off, Jesus never supported half the things that modern "Christians" believe...

Second, god's unconditional love was preached in every church I ever stepped foot in before turning my back on organized religion.

 

We have totally misunderstood the concept of hell. Jesus taught one message. Love. Love is the way. Love is the truth. No one goes to the Father unless they know love. Jesus' message was changed and misunderstood. Misunderstood to the point that they believe that all non Christians will go to hell. Hell is completely contradictory to our creators nature. It was used to bring about a mentality of us versus them. Them being non-Christians. Do you think Jesus would discriminate against anyone? I don't. So why are so called Christians some of the most judgmental people on the planet? The message has been missed and it turns people off to the real message of Christ. Christ's message was spiritual not religious.

 

Hell does not exist.....

It never appeared in the old testament, and no scripture was written involving it until well after jesus' death.....

The truth is, the first mentions of Hell were around the time that the Church was trying to convert the Norse.......They created Hell from the Norse goddess of torture, Hel.

 

I agree with you. I think Hell is completely contradictory to the nature of our Creator. Our souls are all part of God. Why would God condemn a piece of Himself to hell for eternity? Nothing about that makes sense. I also say Himself because we seem to commonly refer to God in the masculine form but I believe God is all things masculine and feminine. We try to anthropomorphize God.

 

Oh, it's much worse than that!!!!

Romans 9

1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

 

Here's your contradiction, how can love be unconditional when one vessel is afore prepared unto glory while another is fitted to destruction??????

 

The only answer.......
who art thou that repliest against God?

 

Ok, where does it say in the Bible that God said we must bow down and worship Him or He is going to send you to Hell?

 

When you stop thinking of God as an old man living in the sky, casting his thunderbolts and intervening in the lives of humans. God is perfect, and nothing can come from perfect that isn't perfect. You and I measure things as perfect or imperfect, but the creator does not. The core of Jesus' message is that the kingdom of heaven is unconditional love and is already in you.

 

Actually, it's more that he bent many down simply to shew his wrath and make his power known!!!!!
Wonder if he uses the leather or the buckle end?

 

The verse you post did not say that God did not love any of those people in the latter part of verse 18 or the latter part of verse 21. Ignorance of God's plan my friend cause one to come to faulty conclusion. God hardens or keep some people in ignorance so that He will have mercy on them........the more you know, the more God will hold you responsible for not doing what He expect of you. So if you are ignorant or spiritually blind God does not hold you accountable as someone that is not blind spiritually........but it does not mean He will not punish you, it’s just that He won't punish you are severely as someone that should know better.

 

Then by that logic, how can some be afore prepared unto glory??????? How can some be fitted to destruction??????? It's a contradiction to all sense and sensibility!!!!!!

It doesn't even make sense, it's absurd gibberish!

 

It's a simple demonstration of ego and self edification!

 

By that sarcastic remark I assume you really don't want me to explain anything........you are just venting. If that's the case, ok, vent......but that won't help you learn anything.

 

At what point do the numerous excuses being made for all the things that are offensive to logic and reason become overwhelming to intellect?

 

There is no contradiction........just your ignorance getting in the way. The Egyptians for example, were vessels of destruction to give God glory, and show the Israelites and the Egyptians that God was the true and only God. But those same Egyptians are going to be resurrected in the second resurrection, along with, people of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Jews in Jesus' day that did not believe the people who died in the flood and so on.

 

it is part of Christian Dogma.....Anyone who does not belief in and worship god is sent to hell.

It does not matter if they are good or not

 

Acts 3
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

I can do this all night long!

 

I find it hard to believe that you can still love someone when you sentence them to eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation for not worshiping you........Loving someone means you do not want them to be caused pain......God chooses to cause people pain by creating Hell and sending them there.

 

Acts 2

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Would that be a loving footstool?

 

It's not that simple, and not everything a Christian believes is supported and backed up in the Bible. Some are more interested in keeping traditions than they are in following the teachings of Jesus.

 

And verse 23 did happen, very few of them were obedient.....the vast majority were punished/destroyed, but as I said, they will be in the second resurrection.....you can read that in Ezekiel 37:1-28.

 

Oh, it's much worse than that..... Here's one of the miracles of God!

Acts 5
1But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

11And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.


Do you think the establishment of the church had any trouble collecting the monies when someone sold their possessions after they were told of such a miracle?

Fear is a powerful tool no?