When is God's love unconditional.....

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  1. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    They may be ressurected, but only to be judged for what they did in life. I very much doubt that the people of Sodom will have a good time when they come back, since they will be judged on the exact things that god destroyed them for in the first place.
     
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    There is no scripture that says God will send anyone to eternity in Hell. Anyone that refuse to repent, even after they come to the knowledge of the truth, will be burnt up and be no more……only there ash will remain.
     
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    Being judged does not mean to condemn. The Bible says the Church is being judged now......and I don't feel as if I'm being condemned by God. Being judged only means being evaluated on how the individual is doing with what he or she knows.....that is all. Mainstream Christianity has taught a lot of lies because they refuse to study the Bible and see what it actually says.
     
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    Ezekiel 38

    18And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

    19For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

    20So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

    21And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

    22And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

    23Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.


    Well you see, it is the buckle!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Fear is a powerful tool!!!!!
     
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    Matthew 25

    31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
     
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    Jude 1

    4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

    6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
     
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    I don't see your point because I already said everyone will be in the second resurrection.
     
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    Matthew 18

    2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

    3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

    5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

    6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

    8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

    9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
     
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    should I stop?
     
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    The word in the Greek is aiōnios and means age......it does not mean without end. Its just a very long period of time where those who still insist on continuing the old ways will be cast into. I don't have the time to get into all the details, but there will be a place during the millennium where fire will be kept burning and the unrepentant will be thrown there and be burnt up.

    The Bible says the wicked will be ash under the saints feet.

    Malachi 4:1-3 (KJV)
    1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
    2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
    3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
     
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    This also is addressed in my post #36.
     
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    2 Timothy 4

    17Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

    18And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Same word, same translation...... Forever and ever..... Greek Aionas Ton Aionon.... Age of the ages!!!!!!

    I guess by your logic, glory in the heavenly kingdom is not eternal either!!!!!!!! HMMMMM!
     
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    Hebrews 13

    20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

    21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    You let me know when you are done making excuses that will only succeed in leading to more contradictions!
     
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    1 Peter 4

    10As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

    11If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Guess Jesus does not have his dominion for eternity either!!!!

    Should I stop?
     
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    I offer my deepest respect to you that you believe such a thing, it's a lovely way of thinking; it is truly painful for me to tell you, that is not what your bible says!!!!!

    Let go..... Your mind is much too magnificent for such a foolish story!
     
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    It seems as if you want what you believe to be what you believe so as to give you are reason to feel what you want to feel about God and the Bible.

    Age of the ages means that, that age is what it is.....age of all ages. It’s an age that will never end. The word Aionon can be endless or it can be a limited period of time......in this case as The Age of ages, it will never come to an end.
     
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    We don't have any need for excuses when we take full responsibility for our voice of expression, even if we declare that we believe it's beauty is an attribute given to us by a loving creator............. That is an unconditional offering of love!
     
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    2 Corinthians 4
    18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    Eternal= Aionios....... Exact same word used within the same context for the eternal fire!

    Stubborn and filled with excuses..... I'm stubborn to, but I'm not making any excuses!
     
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    That still does not change the fact that the unrepentant are not doomed.......there time of repentance will come in the second resurrection. But I could provide other scriptures if you would like.
     
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    Romans 16

    26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    Everlasting= aioniou

    So God is not eternal?
     
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    It is saying the things that are not seen last a very long time (an age)but the things that are seen are seasonal (very short).
     
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    1 Timothy 6

    15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

    16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    everlasting=aionion

    Is God's power not eternal?

    Should I stop?
     
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    John 3

    14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    eternal life=Zoen aionion
     
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    God lives from age to age. There is no separate word for without end and another word for an age in the Greek or Hebrew. It is the same way that there are no separate words for wife and woman or even a man from husband. The same word in the Greek used for a woman is the same word for wife and the same word used for man is the same word used for husband.
     

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