When is God's love unconditional.....

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  1. revol

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    2 Corinthians 5
    1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    Eternal=aionion
     
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    Let me know when you would like me to stop proving that you are incorrect.
     
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    Hebrews 9
    14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    eternal spirit=aionion pneumatos
     
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    It does not matter how many scriptures you post as long as the Greek word is Aionion it is still going to mean age.......life of the age.
     
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    Still means age.
     
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    AshenLady New Member Past Donor

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    God's love is conditional. You behave and you are okay. If you are evil or somesuch, you break the rules and something bad is going to happen. You at the very least, fall from grace.
     
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    The god of which you speak, then, is not worthy of worship and is, like the rest of us, an imperfect being that is just one part of a greater Is.
     
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    Wow, you're even contradicting yourself now with your excuses.......
    Temporal/temporary=proskaira..... Relating to time as opposed to contextual use of eternal=aionion
     
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    Life of the ageS.... YES, and it literally translates to eternal, for ever and ever, everlasting; if not: God's power is limited to an age.... The spirit of Jesus is limited to an age... Heaven is limited to an age.... We are only redeemed for an age..... The dominion of Jesus in heaven is limited to an age......
    What's your point?
     
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    So stubborn, you'd take down the heavens too!
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    Age can last hundreds and even a thousand years or more, while something that is seasonal only last a few months. An age is simply a time period that has no set length of years. So it can be eternal when referring to God, eternal life but not eternal when referring to Hell. Eternal is an English word that the translators used for the Greek word Aionion.
     
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    See BFSmith....... This is a true Christian for you.
     
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    That an age can be a long but limited period of time or it can be endless.
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    There is no scripture that tells us that God's love is conditional. The Bible says that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that they change their ways. If God's love was conditional then we would have to repent first before God send His Son to die for us. But it says, because He loves us so much He sent His Son to die for us.......this He did while we were yet enemies of God.
     
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    What a lame brain excuse...... Really? Why, because that's what you have decided it should translate too? Sorry, that's not how language works!
     
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    Let me ask you this: what does the word great means?
     
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    It's absolutely amazing to me how far people will go in order to protect their delusions.
     
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    It depends if it is being used as a noun, adjective, adverb or interjection; are you searching for a lesson in the english language now?
     
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    You were implying that a word cannot have more than one meaning and the word great does depending on what it is being applied to.
     
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    The word we are discussing is used in the same form, it is contextually identical...... You are claiming it's definition changes not because of it's contextual application, but whether it is used in conjunction with God, heaven, jesus, spirit or life, versus it's use in conjunction with fire or hell.
    Your argument contradicts contextual use of words concerning it's placement; that is how language works, apparently by some miracle it is different where the bible is concerned?
    More excuses that contradict sense and sensibility!

    Furthermore, I don't have to imply a single thing, nor do I have to make a single excuse!
     
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    Man..... You keep digging, you're never going to make it out of that pit!
     
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    This doesn't please me, it doesn't make me happy..... I'm attempting to help, giving a hand to pull you out..... Trying to free your mind, or any mind listening in!
     
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    My point is the word Aionion by definition does not mean eternal it means Age. And an Age can either be without end and or beginning, or a long but limited time period.....the Greek nor the Hebrew makes no distention between the two. Often times translator use a word that maybe technically correct from the stand point of English word but is not correct from Greek or Hebrew. So God is eternal but the Greek word Aionion does not mean eternal or never ending.
     
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    My point is the word Aionion by definition does not mean eternal it means Age. And an Age can either be without end and or beginning, or a long but limited time period.....the Greek nor the Hebrew makes no distention between the two. Often times translator use a word that maybe technically correct from the stand point of English word but is not correct from Greek or Hebrew. So God is eternal but the Greek word Aionion does not mean eternal or never ending.
     
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    You have no point because the language doesn't work...... The same word is used in the same context when it references eternal life and eternal fire..... The most important aspect to this is that it talks about entering heaven where you receive the ages of life or entering hell where you receive the ages of fire...... This appears in the same sentence, identical contextual use in structure using the identical word!!!!!!!!

    You have a choice, it makes no difference to me!!!!
    Either it is not eternal by definition meaning that life in both heaven and hell end; or that it is eternal by definition where life in heaven and hell are both eternal......
    The reality is that the context doesn't make sense if the definition of it is not eternal!!!
     

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