Who should be penalised for the mother's poor choices?

And that is because you failed to mention the effect on the male population - and it takes two to Tango you know

 

When you run out of argument there is always an Ad Hom

 

Cute. . .and very wrong.

 

Okay, stop. Let's recap what's happened here. Nowhere did I blame women for anything. I even made a second post to clarify the fact that I want to push for a healthier cultural environment that encourages women to respect themselves. Because I care about them and don't want them to feel pressured by society to live self-destructively. And yet all I've gotten in response is an insistent need to blame men.

 

No I do not want to "blame men" I said it takes two to Tango - this means we should be addressing BOTH male and female

As for your original post it was full of blame. Even THIS post - what makes you think the problem is that women do not "respect themselves" and why would that be so? This is the equivalent of saying "Well he's done alright for a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)"

 

I think you need to go back and re-read my posts with a calm energy and a clear head. You seem to be dissecting them trying to look for things to be offended by. My last post contained the words "I care about them" verbatim.

The only thing that got blamed anywhere was..... I'll say it again...... the culture. If you're still getting defensive over that, then you're not even hearing what I'm saying. You're inferring something that is not there. In which case there is nothing else I can do. And I'm done with this conversation.

 

No we can agree that it is the "culture" and that advertising in particular has sexualised our culture

Now can we discuss this where BOTH sexes are discussed in an equal manner?

 

No, we cannot. Because it was never my intent to demonize either of them. And I don't think I did. And I'm not interested in being dragged into a hostile and negative man-bashing session. Which is where you are trying to take this.

Good day, Bower.

 

hes saying that our culture sexualizes woman. which it does. thats not an attack against men or women. its saying that our culture is wrong.

 

Here is your speech:

It says that (because of the culture) WOMEN make poor choices. WOMEN behave like "trashy sorority girls who **** first and worry later. Shaming sluts, but not a word about a culture that fully accepts, even congratulates, men who engage in serial sexual conquests. It isn't bashing men to expect equal responsibility for them.

 

It also sexualises men - e.g. Unilever's Lynx ads

Take any one of those at random and what do you see? Are they truly promoting responsible MALE behaviour?

 

Both sides are to blame no question.