Who's behind Trump's big polling deficit? Two key groups defecting to Biden

Nope, there is no agree to disagree. Regardless of if you think you are or not, you are wrong. You seem to acknowledge we need to treat symptoms, but apparently think that because there are a variety of symptoms that HCQ all the sudden doesn’t work. That’s nonsense, it works for specific type of symptoms and therefore has a place in the doctors tool kit. This isnt an agree to disagree issue, you are simply wrong.

 

OK, one more (sorry Mr. T Legal): I did link you to a real-life, real treatment protocol being used at a prominent American medical school in its teaching hospital. Browse it. You'll see that what I'm saying is not nonsense, and you'll see that they take exactly the approach I'm taking here (you'll also see what they say of hydroxychloroquine), so, no, I'm not wrong. If I am, then the entire faculty of the Department of Pulmonary Medicine and Critical Care of the Eastern Virginia Medical School are also wrong, and these folks know a thing or two about treating COVID-19, which is what they've been doing every day for the last several months. If I'm wrong, I'm in good company. And I'm in the company of more people, since this protocol called MATH+ is becoming more and more popular among several hospitals.

HCQ doesn't work, not because of symptoms being flu-like or beyond. It's simply because it doesn't work for COVID-19, as demonstrated by several randomized controlled trials. HCQ *used* to be part of the EVMS treatment protocol above before the RCTs concluded, but they yanked it out, except that they say it might still be useful with zinc in mild initial cases but it's unproven so they quote it as optional for that, but contra-indicated for all the other phases.

You don't need to believe *me*, you can look at what these learned specialists engaged in real-life treatments are saying, and I did post the link, so, it's appreciated if you grant me the kindness of exploring it. Like I said, I'd look at your links and papers too, if you wanted to post them (it doesn't seem like you're willing to do that, though).

Maybe if we want to continue this discussion we need to go to another thread. If you want that, post something there and tag me, and I'll continue, but from what you're saying, I'd assume you don't want to keep hearing from me on this since it looks like you think I'm wrong and clueless; that's fine, so, again, have a nice day.

 

Your one anecdote doesn’t at all disprove what I am saying. What I am saying is that doctors and nurses treat these viruses from top to bottom, in and out, symptoms and root causes. EVERYTHING. Your one anecdote doesn’t at all refute the objective reality that many people are dying from covid due to its flu like symptoms. Given that this is true, many are using HCQ as a tool in thier toolkit and it is helping, it is saving lives. This is a good thing.

No its not the ultimate cure, no it doesn’t stop other symptoms, no its not the only thing that should be used. But doctors ARE using it it because it helps them target atleast some of the symptoms and that overall helps thier patients survive. So YES, are ARE wrong. You dont have to like this objective fact, but it is true regardless. Your one anecdote isn’t at all disproving this despite you clinging to it so staunchly.

And no, I dont go out of my way to inform those who are on a political forum and should be informed in the first place. You have demonstrated that despite your kind demeanor you have very little idea of what you are talking about and seem to think your anecdote somehow serves as stronger evidence than it really does.

Ultimately, it still stands an objective fact (and you are wrong) that HCQ is an effective treatment for flu like symptoms, which decades of science backing it, and is a good tool for doctors to have (which is why they are still using it). There is no agree to disagree here, you are simply wrong.

 

Again, as I have said repeatedly @Moolk is wholly incapable and unwilling to ever admit that he is wrong or to even provide a single piece of evidence in support of his assertions. He will continue to claim that he is "objectively correct" and that there is "evidence" out there - somewhere - for you to find, but he will never do so himself.

"We know that every single good study - and by good study I mean randomised control study in which the data are firm and believable - has shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of Covid-19," Dr. Anthony Fauci said.

My suggestion is that you place him on ignore, but at a minimum, please do take any discussion of HCQ and its inability to effectively treat Covid-19 to a different thread.

 

I am perfectly capable of admitting i am wrong if you can prove it. Unfortunately despite your unwillingness to admit it yourself, I am not. I have decades of science backing my position and no matter how angry that makes you this will remain true.

We all know this is true, and thats why doctors are continuing to use it even at this very moment because its useful and safe and is saving lives.

But, you are definitely being a hypocrite as you tell someone not to speak about it here, as you continue to speak about it here.

Nonetheless, the objective reality is that HCQ is proven to be effective and safe to combat flu like symptoms in covid, which is saving lives and is and will continue to be used in the future by doctors everywhere who heroically ignore the irrational attack on this medicine.

However, HCQ and its ability to effectively treat the flu like symptoms of chinavirus was appropriate.

 

Thanks. Agreed.

 

You can agree with him if you would like, but the objective fact remains I am correct and i demonstrated that very well.

 

The ONLY objective FACT that matters and is totally INDISPUTABLE is that YOU have ZERO interest in engaging is SUBSTANTIVE debate.

Your ONGOING trolling content has EARNED you a ONE WAY all expenses paid ticket to CYBERIA.

Have a nice life!

 

The objective fact is I am correct about this medicine and there is decades worth of science to support it. You may hate this all you want but it’s true nonetheless.

 

Excellent suggestion and when doing so I noticed that someone else on my ignore list was banned and then another. I went through my list and counted 10 banned members and all of those bans must have occurred AFTER I placed them on ignore.

That CONFIRMS that there are people who join this forum for no better reason than to troll threads and that the ignore function serves a useful purpose for those of us who prefer to engage in substantive debate.

Getting back to your OP topic we already know that the MISHANDLING of the Pandemic is of primary concern to the electorate and this article establishes that the Covidiot's base are all he has left now.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/poll...avirus-worse-world_n_5f24947bc5b6a34284bac979

IOW it is now down to ONLY his base that is giving him positive ratings on this issue. The economy just had the worst quarter performance ever recorded and healthcare is all but maxed out trying to deal with the Pandemic. Those are the top three CONCERNS of the electorate so it is little wonder that his polling is so abysmal.

Given the original surge we are going to start seeing the death toll rising by over 1,000 per day for most, if not all, of August and it is going to be hard to raise enthusiasm for his campaign with record numbers of deaths and the economy limping along.

90 days to go and everything is STILL headed south is NOT the place to be in order to win an election.

 

Trump is playing to an Ever-shrinking "base".

At this point, he would be lucky to have the support of 1/3 of America.

The fact that Trump's "base" is exponentially overrepresented on social media changes nothing.

If Trump is extremely lucky, he may be able to repeat the 46% of the Popular Vote that he got in 2016.

Trump getting only 46% will lead to his Catastrophic Loss.

Trump knows (already) that he is toast, and he has already moved onto ways to challenge the results.

 

You can all place me on ignore, that makes no difference ot me. You are free to act how you want, but its a sign that you clearly can’t handle the fact you aren’t creating effective arguments and recognize deep down that you know I am right. I wont be banned like those others on your list however, as I don’t break rules. But, you do you.

The objective fact, that is inarguable is that HCQ is an effective treatment for flu like symptoms. This is backed by decades of science and regardless of the lefts irrational attack on this medicine this will remain true. Doctors around the world are heroes, standing up to the lefts ignorance and using the medicine anyways.

 

Firstly I would say it's a long 100 days, secondly can we trust the polls, thirdly Trump can win 46% and still retain the Whitehouse as long as it's in the right place. It would be better for Trump to have more time, let Covid fade, economy recover, a gruelling round of electioneering will exhaust the frail Joe Biden and give him more time to gaffe.

 

You know, running off in a huff is never the way to win an argument.

 

Feel free to waste YOUR time on the posts of trolls that have NOTHING of any merit to contribute.

I have better things to do with MY time.

 

There is absolutely NO possibility of Biden out-gaffing Trump.

The problem is, Trump gaffs on purpose. He has absolutely zero interest in the truth.

How the HELL could anyone out-gaff THAT?

We see him making false claims about testing, hydroxychloroquine, masks, when CoVID will subside, vaccines, WHO, where COVID came from, what's necessary to get it under control, and on and on and on.

Trump just has too much of a head start with the bald faced lying, let along just gaffs - like swallowing household cleaners, etc.

The only possibility is that there is a big enough population in the US that has a deep desire to be LIED to on a daily basis.

 

WAY ahead of you there... The air just smelled better after I did that...

I wanted to post this link (3 new Lincoln Project ads), but I couldn't find the right thread... so tag, this is it...

Have you ever seen this guy?? He's awesome... Never seen him before. I thought he was lip syncing actual Trump like that Tik Tok lady until it hit me he wasn't...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/lincoln-project-senators-mock-endorsement-091316176.html

Watch all 3... they're all good, but the Sullivan one is the best.

 

I think you just proved my point.

 

Ignore me if you would like, makes no difference. I am still proven objectively correct by decades of evidence and studies demonstrating the effectiveness of HCQ at treating flu like symptoms.

 

factors behind Trump’s falling popularity:

1.Big mouth do nothing POTUS as riots and shootings and fires continue, statues ripped down, people told they can’t go to a church or a funeral or swim in a river in a state park. POTUS plays golf and pardons Susan B Anthony and says “it is what it is”
2. Removing mailboxes without notice And no notice if and when replacement boxes will be available
3. Yet ANOTHER ass $&” friend of Trump charged with fraud.
4 My 90 year old father, conservative his entire life, has dumped the Trump
5. Epstein connection grows larger, as Trump wishes the pedo Madam girlfriend of Epstein well.
6. the photos of Trump
lusting after his own daughter and the hands in the wrong place = Biden pedo behavior
7. Shadow banning and silencing of Laura Loomer, Alex Jones, and other conservatives and even the POTUS himself, yet the POTUS does nothing to stop the abuse by the big technocracy that’s pledged (In their words, ) toremove the PUTUS by any means necessary. Aka former CIA Brennan

A POTUS who does not act even when there is clear and present danger of a total collapse of the country, and citizens are under daily attack by a domestic terrorist group funded by a knownNazi Collaborator, George Soros,then that POTUS
must be considered to be COMPLICIT or INCOMPETENT, or BOTH, in which case he is no longer fit to be POTUS nor deserves to be re-elected

 

Hcq has decades of proven science demonstrating it as an effective treatment for flu like symptoms. Trump was right.

 

Do you know what poetic justice is?

It’ll be dished out to you and yours on November 3rd. Please be around to receive a full measure of it?

 

I be like... WOW... Trump's goose must be cocked! And then I see this:



Enjoy

 

How typical, all doom and gloom Liberals keep preaching how bad things are and how much better they should have been, was Trump not a President.

One of the chief reasons I'm not a Liberal - I don't wanna cry and be pissed all the time! Ima happy fella and I am staying this way