Why Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7?

You are far from correct. Can you point out a thriving population of Jews living in the region outside Israel, or have they already been cleansed?

 

Exactly. No reasonable person would think that Israel will let such a brutal attack go unanswered. Putting women and children in harms way, is a move straight out of the Pallywood play book.

 

Yes, Honey... And you're getin' none tonight!

You WROTE it after. But you arrived at the conclusion FIRST!

Don't bother denying it. It's quite obvious. You can always tell by the way people who do this omit to explain why there is also information that contradicts the conclusion, and make no attempt to explain this within the framework.

BTW, my apologies to your wife. She is clearly the brains of the family.

 

If it had little to do with religion there wouldn't be a million videos of religious fanatics running around yelling "Allahu Akbar!" while killing civilians. Hamas is an Islamic terrorist group. This is like saying the "Army of God" attacking abortion clinics is about women's healthcare and "has very little to NOTHING to do with religion." It's absurd on its face.

 

Sounds like projection.

 

"Repudiated"??? Where is that some sort of requirement?

 

We don't fund China to wreck genocide on their Uyghur population.

We DO fund Israel and supply it with weapons to wreck genocide on Palestinians both in Gaza and West Bank.

 

America?

 

Hamas "whiting out" the bad parts doesn't give people much trust or hope. Considering they've been launching rockets as soon as they got into power into Gaza

Hamas is a cancer.

Israel pulls out and gives the Gaza strip back to the Palestinians and the following year get thanked with over 900 rockets lobbed into Israel.

 

From the point of view of those living in Gaza, Israel surrendered. There was no negotiation. There was no quid pro quo or signs of a possible resolution.

The total package was Israel leaving what they had attempted to steal after successful militant opposition.

Israel demonstrated that Palestine COULD make progress through militant opposition - standing up for themselves against the massive violence of Israel.

We've had decades of Israel's genocidal acts against the entire Palestinian population in Gaza and in West Bank.

In fact, the USA has worked to ENSURE that Israel has the arms and political cover to slaughter Palestinians, to steal their land, to treat Gaza as a concentration camp.

There is no population on Earth that would accept Israel's treatment of Palestinians peacefully. Humans aren't built to accept that.

 

I have one question for you:
why don't terror victims' families - you know, the people who lost "their mother, father, brother, son, daughter.... somebody they cared about" in such attacks - respond in kind, by forming terrorist organizations to attack the attackers?

If losing loved ones in attacks leads to terrorism, the whole world should've been engulfed in one big happy terror spree since before the beginning of history...

 

Yeah from the Palestinians point of view. The problem is they were wrong about Israel's giving up of the GAZA.

You said it yourself...the USA has worked to ensure that Israel has the arms and coverage to slaughter Palestinians. If Israel wanted to, they could erase the West bank and the Gaza. They could have in 2005 and they certainly could now in 2024. Right now, they could napalm the entire strip...

The fact that there is only 25000 casualties with the amount of ordinance they've dropped in GAZA has demonstrated that they are trying to avoid casualties. But the population needs to stop thinking it can fight this war. It can't.

Hamas needs the surrounding arab nations to get involved and fight this war for them. But with the exception of Iran, the surrounding Arab nations are done with this war and wish to normalize relations.

Israel State isn't going anywhere. The Palestinians need to stop thinking right of return or river to the sea and move on with fostering relations and building up their own State or they will continue to whittle away and slowly be erased.

 

Because the organizations are already there. I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. It's not that they decide right there and there that they are going to become terrorists. It's that terrorist organization use their hate to recruit them. And then they use cherry-picked religious passages to appease their conscience. That's why I say that religion is the excuse.. NOT the motivator.

You would believe that if you think in binary. Reality is much more complex than that.

If most people engaged in terrorist acts because their religious book told them to, the world would be engulfed in one big happy terror spree. There are very few ancient religions (if any) that don't contain many passages in their writings advocating violence against infidels. And Judaism is not an exception. Nor is Christianism. But people just don't do that unless they have a more REAL motive. Like revenge.

 

Yes, repudiated. It's required to validate/support your claim that the original Hamas Covenant/Charter is dead. It's not.

 

What you see there, madame, is the false equivalence that the members, supporters and apologists of terrorist groups attempt to draw between the victims of terrorism and the terrorists themselves. We've seen it before, it's not clever at all, and it's not difficult to figure out why the members, supporters and apologists of terrorist groups do it.

 

It’s simple. Saudi Arabia was close to recognizing Israel. One of the crown princes had announced it on a TV news program. Iran saw it and had their Hamas proxy group attack Israel in the most horrific way they could. It disrupted the whole peace process. It was a brilliant strategy from the Iranian perspective. It did exactly what “the Chief Billy Goat” wanted.

 

You are truly amazing - you changed someone's opinion, even they might not admit it.

I come to conclusion AFTER presenting the evidence as posted in my original post – and you know better than me what I have done.

I know only one person with such astounding abilities, who knows, maybe soon he will our president!

 

Good point. Israelis value life.

 

I understood - for you it is OK to genocide if the US does funds the attacker, but there is a small problem:
what happens in Gaza was not defined as genocide by court in Hague.

US is funding Israel the same way as US is funding other countries who service the US, and here are some US benefits:
During the cold war Israel supplied the US with valuable information about Soviets:

Israel delivered to US secret Khrushchev speech:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences

Israel shared with the US Soviet weapons captured in 6 Days War and in Yom Kippur war, also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Diamond
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rooster_53

Israel saved pro-West Jordan from pro-Soviet Syria:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Jordan_relations

 

Just as Hamas values death (according to Ismail Haniyeh).

 

Israel is by far the most diverse nation in the region. The surrounding region has been cleansed of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, and those critical of religion/government.

 

Palestine has stated that their objective is to live in peace in Palestine beside a permanent Israel.

That has been the constant message of the government of President Abbas. And, the government of Gaza has stated that Abbas negotiates for them.

That doesn't mean there is no war. For 20 years Israel has run Gaza as a concentration camp, with it's people in abject poverty as a direct result. And, in West Bank Israel has spent decades ignoring the border they were given, and captured the property and water rights of Palestinians there for use by its own citizens.

It IS genocide and a there is no possibility of suggesting that Palestine shouldn't fight back.

Today, the USA supports the genocide, giving Israel the political cover and military arms to carry that out. As long as the USA supports the genocide, there can't be a peaceful resolution. The genocide will continue.

Todays news brings Israeli troops destroying private property and laughing about it. A significant portion of the dead are CHILDREN. And, Israel states that they will bomb Raffa in the south, where Israel has herded the starving masses who have no place to go or food to eat or water to drink or hospitals to treat the war injuries.

Only hate can be at the root of this genocide.

 

You quote from the 1988 Charter, claiming that is Hamas position. But, that is not true.

From wiki on the charter:

 

Hamas has a strange way of showing that they want to live in peace what with all those rockets fired into Israel every year in the nice graph I just posted.

Hamas up until 2017 was very clear in that they wanted to remove the State of Israel and kill all Jews (except those hiding behind the Jew tree...lol). You can't just change your charter in 2017 and think that "oh ok NOW you don't want to kill us all?"

Hamas has been radicalizing it's population since it's been in power and when polled before the strikes, the MAJORITY of the people in GAZA wants the Israel state to be removed. (river to the sea)

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/6866



Technically based on the UN definition of "genocide" every single war or conflict could be classified as "genocide". But you can't prove intent. You know why you can't prove intent? Because the Gaza Health Ministry doesn't track hamas casualties vs civilian casualties. Because of this you don't know what was collateral damage vs military targets. See the problem with Hamas is that they are not typically marked or dressed as active combatants. It's civilian clothed individuals who may decide to pick up a gun and start shooting. But beyond that, the numbers do not add up to trying to remove all Palestinians from the Gaza strip. Can't really know that until after the war is over. A war which could end today if Hamas surrenders and releases it's hostages.

Which it refuses to do.

Bottom line here, with the firepower that Israel possesses, if they were actually trying to kill civilians, we would be at half a mil casualties by now at least. There is no iron dome in Gaza. It would be an incredibly easy thing to do if you wanted to napalm the entire strip.

 

No, this is only one aspect of the US-Israel relationship.

The US has SPECIFICALLY supported by both political and military means Israel's war against palestine.

We've made it clear that our support includes the bulldozing of West Bank homes and agriculture of West Bank and the handing of that land to Israelis who have no ties to law in West Bank. We support Israel imposing Israeli military law on West Bank in wide regions of that part of Palestine. We support Israel ignoring ALL previous negotiated borders. We have vetoed UN resolutions that Israel wants us to veto and we have pressured western governments to vote against Palestine.

In Gaza, it is obviously even worse. We support Israel running Gaza as a concentration camp. Ands, NOW we support the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians and the destruction of their food, water, electricity, hospitals and every other aspect of keeping these people ALIVE. And, that IS genocide.

Having you present this as some sort of quid pro quo for Israel being an ally is truly disgusting.