Why Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7?

Links please.

And I'm expecting genuine details. Exact borders. Who said it - do they actually have any power - and what exactly is "Palestine". Timeline of negotiation.

Btw, is this the two-state solution being referred to when they chant "from the river to the sea" around the world?

Thanks in advance.

 

The massive yet highly restrained violence of Israel always came in response to attacks by Palestinians. The notion that Israel should just accept the murder of It's citizen by Hamas butchers is the sort leftist gobbledy gook that has all but destroyed America's standing in the world. Again if Israel wanted to genocicde the Palestinians they could have easily done so in a matter of days at anytime from 1975 on. Rather they have gone out of their way to avoid killing any more pals than necessary to take a rocket team out. Israel has had enough and they are going to take out Hamas come hell or high water blame Hamas for the destruction. It is only happening because Hamas won't stop killing Jews.

 

Motivation to kill civilians exist in just about EVERY religion. Including Christianity.

But people don't act on it just because it's there. This is triggered by OTHER factors.

For MANY people and in much violence in this country, like the El Paso shootings, the religion is TRUMP. This doesn't mean that all people who believe in the Trump religion engage in violence. It's an excuse. The underlying motive is usually something else.

 

Not sure what it is you're asking.

There is no binary answer to why terrorist organizations exist... Just like there is no binary answer to ANYTHING. Sometimes they exist because there is a fanatical leader, which is the case of MAGA terrorists. In others it exists because terrorism WORKS. Which is the case of Hamas... but only when there is also an extremist leading the other side like Netanyahu. There are MANY possible reasons.

Sure doesn't. It only explains what I said it explains.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

The Palestinians don't want a two state solution because they deny Israel's right to exist.

 

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President Abbas has spent his entire leadership oriented to a two state solution. He has been adamant that the only solution must be a two state solution. In following that direction, he has cooperated with the IDF to reduce violence and has worked to get the help of UN agencies to pursue negotiated direction.

President Bush was our last president to see negotiation as a way forward. And, he was resoundingly rebuffed by Israel.

This just isn't up for debate. It's not "who said it". It is the history of the Abbas presidency - STARTLING in the fact that throughout his leadership, Israel has constantly cut off more and more pieces of his country, driving out Palestinians from their homes and agriculture.

Borders? President Abbas has ALWAYS held that there are key issues that must be negotiated. One is the drawing of borders. Another is the status of the enclaves of Israelis who have established their lives in the stolen land called "settlements" - deep inside West Bank.

Do you believe that Netanyahu doesn't have the same view of "from the river to the sea" as he promotes the atrocities his government pursues in West Bank as he works on the Zionist dream there???

 

Why? Because they’re inhuman animals bent on killing every Jew from the river to the sea. And they don’t care about their own people. If they did there would have been peace a long time ago.

If Israel laid down their arms they would be slaughtered the next day. If Hamas laid down their arms there would be peace that minute.

 

Israel clearly was illegally formed on the land of Palestine with no regard to those living in that land. It was carved out by western powers primarily as some sort of weird compensation for the Holocaust.

But, Palestine absolutely does see Israel as permanent. Israel often complains that they don't see Israel as a "Jewish" state. But, there are Palestinians, Christians, and others in Israel, and there is a concern about apartheid.

And, yes people can find violent opposition to the theft of land that was the foundation of Israel and their violent expansionism ever since.

 

OK, let's move back toward reality.

 

So what kind of people just spray gun fire into a crowd of music goers? Or rape mothers in front of their children then toss the children into ovens in front of the parents? Drag people through streets and decapitate them in public? Who kidnaps civilians? Who steals aid and uses it for weapons instead of taking care of their people?

Who screams from the river to the sea? That means no Jews between the river on one side and sea on the other. Defending terrorist ANIMALS makes you just like them.

There is no Palestine. Muslim countries have taller walls to keep them out then Israel does Be wise Muslims don’t want those terrorists infecting their countries too.

Study history and reality.

 

This ignores the fact that Gaza has been fully blockaded by Israel.

That is internationally recognized as an act of war.

Israel prevents commerce, fishing Gaza's waters, travel, and all manner of activity that requires crossing the border.

Gaza is prevented by Israel from opening Gaza's airport, further ensuring that Gaza has no commerce to speak of and is totally denied outside business investment.

Israel prevents the interchange of political figures between West Bank and Gaza, which means that the Abbas government can not compete with the existing government of Gaza - a serious problem.

The result is that Gaza is kept in deep poverty, with significant percentages of its population in food insecurity.

Israel's war on Gaza has been constant and unabated for decades.


Like it or not, the Israeli war on Gaza has been constant and unabated, and the results ARE humanitarian atrocity - even if you totally ignore bullets and bombs.

 

Un no Gaza is blockaded by Israel Egypt and Jordan. It is currently the worlds largest open air insane asylum. No one wants those crazies in their country. Not Israel not Jordan and not Egypt. And note if they are being constantly blockased how do they keep getting all those rockets?

 

That was a truly horrible act of terrorism.

You're making it clear that you don't know what it takes to be a country.

Israel's war on Palestine has gone on for many decades.

I have no idea how you think Gaza should fight back in that war, but I agree it shouldn't be with terrorism.

 

Those borders are run as Israel wants. Egypt has its own problems, and is not interested in the Raffa border being a route for commerce against the will of Israel.

These border crossings are NOT designed for free enterprise.

Plus, Gaza is not allowed to open new border crossings. They have no access to shipping, for example. In fact, they can't even fish their own waters - a serious issue given that 60% have been food insecure.

The border blockade IS an act of war, and it has far reaching, serious impact on the lives of those in Gaza and the future of the people living there.

 

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President Abbas has spent his entire leadership oriented to a two state solution. He has been adamant that the only solution must be a two state solution. In following that direction, he has cooperated with the IDF to reduce violence and has worked to get the help of UN agencies to pursue negotiated direction.

President Bush was our last president to see negotiation as a way forward. And, he was resoundingly rebuffed by Israel.

This just isn't up for debate. It's not "who said it". It is the history of the Abbas presidency - STARTLING in the fact that throughout his leadership, Israel has constantly cut off more and more pieces of his country, driving out Palestinians from their homes and agriculture.

Borders? President Abbas has ALWAYS held that there are key issues that must be negotiated. One is the drawing of borders. Another is the status of the enclaves of Israelis who have established their lives in the stolen land called "settlements".

Do you believe that Netanyahu doesn't have the same view of "from the river to the sea" as he promotes the atrocities his government pursues in West Bank as he works on the Zionist dream there???

Actions, not words

 

Illegally? The UN formed the country of Israel in like 1947. Are you saying that the UN is an illegal entity?

 

No, I'm saying they stole that land from those living there and gave it to for Israel - without even discussing it with those living there.

That was a horrible mistake showing no thought concerning the impact of their decision.

 

Maybe the motivation to kill civilians exist in just about EVERY religion, including Christianity, and maybe there is world wide conspiracy to hide Christians, Jews and Buddhists killing civilians shouting Jesus is great, Yahve is great, Buddha is great, and maybe this site is fake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Who knows, maybe all these suicide attacks were done by Christians, Jews, Buddhists pretending to be Muslims? And maybe Hamas chapter was written by Jews and not but Muslims?

 

Well, may be you are right, and maybe you can convince me is you will answer on my question:
1. Did on Oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel killing, raping and kidnapping Israeli civilians?
2. Hamas official aim as written in Hamas chapter is to destroy Israel and Hamas leaders promised to make more such attacks.
3. What should be Israeli reaction to Oct 7 attack?
4. How Israel should fight with Hamas, when Hamas keeps arms, ammunition and entries to underground tunnels in civilian buildings.
5. How Israel should react to Hamas shooting missiles on Israeli towns?
6. Israel warned which area it will bomb, but Hamas prevented civilians from leaving this areas. What in such case Israel should do?

Please answer these questions and maybe we agree on common action.

 

There are PLENTY of terrorist attacks by Christians. Especially in our country. Which doesn't mean the attacks happen BECAUSE they're Christian. Despite the fact that you COULD cherry-pick tons of passages from the Christian Bible and other Christian writings, just like you cherry-picked them from the Islamic writings.

 

This war has gone on for decades. Pretending that it is all about Oct 7 is just silly.

Your number 2 is wrong. The current Hamas charter does not say that. What Hamas HAS said is that President Abbas negotiates for all of Palestine. But, nobody will negotiate, so Gaza is left with the decades of war waged on them by Israel.

The rest is nonsense - a misunderstanding of Israel's methods of war and the fact of Gaza's pathetic ability to fight back.

No, Israel did not give anything NEAR adequate warning on where and what they will bomb.

The reason is probably related to Israel considering every Palestinian father, mother and child as a terrorist. Therefore, demolishing all means of life support in Gaza and slaughtering thousands of children is a perfectly fine strategy to Israel. That's what God told them to do - just like God told Joshua to do to Jericho.

 

Wow! Probably left wing media censor all Christian attacks who in the name of Jesus kill civilians shouting "Jesus if Lord, Jesus is great". Which media should we trust? Please give me examples where Christians murder civilians and I will update this site:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

because of the left wings censorship the bellow site looks much, much, much more impressive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

 

Well, what is the newest Hamas charter? The Hamas charter from 2017 clearly says they don't want Israel, they don't want any secular democracy, all they want is an Islamic state and they don't want any Jewish state. All my info I took from this site:
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

I am very sorry you could not answer my question, but I understand why you think my questions are nonsense. Why I understand it? Because I think your explanations are nonsense too.

 

We are talking about Gaza. There is a war in Gaza. I do believe we have we have had this conversation before and Abbas does not represent Gaza. Therefore he does not represent Palestine.

 

According to you?

Actually, the government of Gaza has said that President Abbas represents them in negotiations related to statehood.