12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

I had seen that story also about the 'advice' the mother gave her 5 yr old Kindergarten son..... and that has become our society. And here's another tragedy about a 12 yr old dead boy b/c he ignored a cop's order, instead reached for the gun.....

 

LOL. I get your point.

And again fair enough. We in the UK prefer to let the shots be fired first then at least we can know what we are dealing with. And there is actually in fact no shortage of fire power available should we need it.

However, I withdraw my intemperate language. And apologise for any offence given.

We Scots are particularly upset about the conflation of guns and children. But I realise things are complex and difficult for you in your country.

Creation

 

I fail to understand, maybe its because Im not American, perhaps you can educate me, Ill first let you in on how it works in my country ; -

In our understanding those Rule books that require a child to be shot in case before they can get a shot off from their toy weapons or even real weapons are the WRONG rule books.

It is true that telling kids to keep safe in all circumstances is indeed WISE. But those circumstances do not include, in my country, the interaction with police officers, in these circumstances me child and others are ALWAYS at their safest, even when waving toy guns around and even when waving real guns around. That is the standard we require from the police service.



We Scots are particularly upset about the conflation of guns and children. But I realise things are complex and difficult for you in your country.

Creation

 

Unlikely indeed, tasers are limited in effectiveness.

That being said, these firearms are not very accurate. Accurate pistol shooting requires skill and determination.

 

Oh I'm sorry... how many cute blonde, 12 year old white girls point fake guns at people in the park to the point where people are scared and feel the need to call the police?

And how many cute blonde, 12 year old white girls after pointing their fake gun at people are then told to put their hands up by police and instead grab for their fake gun?

Is that better?

 

Why do people keep repeating that?

The cops didn't know anything about what it "probably" was.

They had an opinion from a random witness... who knows exactly what about guns ?

This shouldn't even be part of the story, because clearly it is nothing but a crutch for cop-haters.

 

If you need to blame every 12 year old for immature behaviour, or his parents for not understanding that 12 year olds will always behave exactly as their parents tell them to behave, I don't think you have much to offer that might address the issue of unarmed young Americans being shot to death far too often.

As I had noted, I sympathize with the policeman who now must deal with his having killed a foolish child.

We need to find an effective alternative to lethal force in such situations. You may opine, "No, killing adolescents is the proper response, and we should persist in it!", but I simply disagree.

 

No it shouldn't. Doesn't matter what a witness "thinks". All that matters is what the cops discern from their interactions.

"Sorry for your loss Mrs. Officer... and to those other 6 families who lost loved ones.... but the witness said the gun was probably fake".

Forum threads: "Dumb cop thought gun was fake and let people die!!"


ffs....

 

First in with the race card !

*Drink*

 

I think there was some sarcasm and cynicism involved in it. At least I hope there was.

 

There might not be an answer to this. Hopefully society can develope until 12 yo kids are well supervised all the time and the police are well trained enought to reduce the incidents. But I dont think we will ever get to the point it never happens.

 

LOL, and yes the kid, while the cops were actually there could easily have gotten out his gun and killed 6 other kids in a matter of seconds.

This is the thinking that leads to America's terror on the streets; meanwhile despite all this fear kids are actually no safer than anywhere else.

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Why on earth do you need to supervise 12 year olds all the time?

How about simply not shooting them?

 

If I had kids and they were playing in a busy public park and the cops responded to someone drawing a gun... with pepper spray? I'd be pissed.

Pepper spray doesn't stop someone from shooting.
It just makes their aim more random.

 

I dont know, I guess I meant the kids would be where they were suppose to be doing what they were suppose to be doing as opposed to playing with a realistic looking handgun and getting shot by police.

 

"Laser weapons such as the TASER® C2 Weapon and TASER® M18L Weapon with Lasersight offer the most powerful stopping force available with a range of 15' "
http://laserweapons.net/index.html

And I read the probes drop 1' for every 7' of travel and then if the wind is blowing. Tasers are very short range weapons.

 

Where have you read that the call to the police indicated a "fake gun" and when it is "probably" when it comes to a lethal weapon and putting your life on the line that becomes "is" until you can ascertain for sure.

Makes you wonder if they allowed him or knew he had taken off the bright yellow muzzle indicator that it was fake.

 

They have nothing to do all the day, i pretend they at least can shoot with good aim. Btw the real fault here is of the parents, they should never allow their son to go around with a gun, even if it's fake, expecially in a country with a sad record for mass shootings committed by kids.

 

Tell me something, if someone has a gun in their hand and finger on the trigger what is going to happen if they do manage to hit him with the taser and the probes do stick and the charge is applied?

 

Just to give the firearm illiterate a little help here are pistols that are exactly the same profile, one airsoft and one real. Now you have 3 seconds to identify which one is real and the orange tip is gone.

 

How do you shoot "not to kill"?

 

This post almost left me speechless. You actually expect a cop to take a bullet just to not have to harm someone? And does body armor cover the head, hips, legs, arms, neck? A cop telling a suspected criminal to raise their hands should fully expect that person to fire a round if the suspect's reaction is to reach for a weapon in their waistband. That's just common sense and something most people would realize without giving it much thought.

Imagine it...I'm a cop, I approach you out of caution that you have a weapon that has already been reported, and only "suspected" as not being real, and I draw my weapon while telling you to raise your hands. What do you do? Common sense says you raise your hands and let the situation work itself out. But instead you reach for your shirt and raise it to expose a weapon in your waistband, then you reach for that weapon....and you STILL think I should take a bullet FOR YOU? Where does reality set in that the police officer is already concerned with fear for not only his safety, but the safety of others around you? If his weapon is drawn, you know full well he will use it if necessary, and that handy little orange cap being missing was key to his misunderstanding it as anything but the real weapon it replicates.

 

So you've never heard of any of the cases where a little boy took a gun to school? One was younger than 12, had the gun in his backpack, it went off and shot a girl.....

Sorry to disillusion you, but many kids, little and big get their hands on guns....... thanks to their brain dead parents.

 

Taking cover is not hiding.

 

Obama want a more aggressive local police force. Now that that's what he has people are getting upset? This is the dhs training and arming a militarized police.
Welcome to the liberal police state.

 

http://youtu.be/Tt2yGzHfy7s
Why cry about it now that he got what he asked for?