12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

You have no idea what you are talking about. The first person killed in Texas by a man with a CC license was shot through the heart with a 9mm at close range and he lived for three minutes and didn't go down for a few seconds. While you are trying to pick a non lethal shot you and innocent by-standers could be killed. If this kid had had his dads' full auto 9mm hand gun he could have fired 15 shots at your face.

The cop's very first responsibility is to protect the public that might be in harm's way of a person drawing a weapon. If the cop with the best shot had frozen and the gun was real and the kid killed another cop and a baby in its mothers arms we wouldn't be talking about this kid. He would be just another Black id with a gun.

What we are talking about is a PERSON THREATENING COPS WITH A WEAPON.. He got shot and the liberal horde wants to blame the cops and excuse the culture that put him there waving a gun at the cops.

“His mother is devastated,” but his father is unknown and doesn't know that the boy ever lived..

 

I'm not a liberal and I'm sick and tired of cops shooting people unnecessarily.

 

Have you ever had a firearm pointed at you? Reality takes a very fine focus. it is kinda hard to explain, but I can see how a kid reaching for a gun could get shot. Until we know more I will whithold judgement.

 

Here we go again. Did they honestly think that little boy had a real gun? Poor kid. My heart goes out to his Mom.

 

The remark about his Father is a cheap shot and besides the point. Do you personally know this family?

 

Witholding judgement is fair.

I'm of the very strong opinion that most cops should not be wearing the badge. Agencies are so desperate for recruits that tell the truth and who've kept their noses clean that many other qualifications are overlooked, particularly people of sound judgement and cool heads under pressure.

 

It seems non-lethal weapons are not even used anymore. It's shoot to kill.

 

I'm withholding judgement too. We don't know any more than what the news media is telling us. if one is threatened, a second or two means the difference between life and death. We will later learn if the officer over reacted or if he was instinctively protecting his life.

 

This wasn't a situation for non-lethal tools. We shouldn't expect cops to meet deadly force with non-lethal force. That being said, I'd still like to know the landscape of the park and try to better understand why the cops simply didn't take cover, get as many people away from the scene as possible, and wait it out.

 

I was very ready to jump down the cop's throat until I saw the actual gun, looks real to me and I don't know what pointing anything at cops would accomplish. Though I do wonder why the caller was all that concerned if he thought it was "probably fake" as he put it.

 

so now we assume children have real guns even when they knew ahead of time it was probably fake.... bet the parents never thought the fake gun they bought their child would be as deadly as the real thing and would be the death of their child

but, cops would be risking their lives determining for sure if it was fake or not, not all cops are willing to risk it, some shot, ask questions latter, even of children

was it a justified shoot, if the cop panicked and thought it was real, then yes, it's a justified shoot, doesn't matter if the danger was real or not

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If the cop got the word that the witness didn't think the gun was real, and since a kid had it, this should have been a consideration. And that consideration is very important here. But given that kids today kill other kids in those ghettos, with real guns, this gives importance to whether the cop received the message, that the witness didn't think the gun was real. That is very important info, and should have been passed on to the cops going to the scene. When you take a report from a witness, you always are taught to ask, who, when, where, why, how, etc. And that info is passed on to the responder.

Now, if that info was passed on, with the observation that it was not thought the gun was real, this turns the cop into a bad cop. And he needs to be fired.

 

there are many "right" things the cop could of done, lethal force was but one..... the shoot was legal, but the situation would of ended better with a better cop

but like all profession, mistakes are made and not all cops are created equal

that and of course the 12 year old skin color did not help him any, had this been a 12 year old cute little blond girl, would the cop of been so quick to shoot?

not saying the cop was racist, but talking reality, there are many more young black male thugs then their are young white girl thugs, so it does play into the thought process of the cop


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How many cute blonde, 12 year old white girls have pointed guns at cops or even purposefully shot someone else?

 

All I saw was random BS that makes no sense.

 

I think all toy guns should be orange, no reason a childs toy gun has to look real

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you must of missed my edit, I added the same type of comment to the end of my post, it's just the reality of it, cops have to take that reality into account, it's not fair, but it is reality

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I never liked the orange idea. A bad guy could spray paint his handgun and cause a good guy to hesitate for that second too long.

 

I cannot believe people think a police officer should just allow themselves to get shot. That is asinine because we do not pay police to die. We pay them to enforce the law. This is a tragic instance but the police officer did the right thing. If that kid did have a real gun then he had it on a playground around other kids. It is real easy using hindsight to judge the cops but lest face it you would not be saying the same thing if that kid had shot another kid. Those officers had a duty to insure that no one else on that playground was endangered. The kids age had nothing to do with it.

 

And when bystanders are shot because the police were hiding, as the shooter ignored their commands (as he did), then who would you be posting about?

Weak cops.

 

Oh good grief..... answer me honestly - when you were 12, did you know who a cop was and what his job was? When you were 12, did you understand a simple, clear order like 'put your hands up'? 'Put the gun down"? These commands are not rocket science. Now unless the kid was autistic or some mental disorder which impaired his comprehension - and if that was the case, why the hell was he allowed to go off by himself to a park, particularly w/a toy gun? - 12 yr old kids w/normal IQ's are NOT brain dead.... they know EXACTLY what they're doing......

This kid's death is another sad statistic due to poor parenting - not taught a damn thing about using common sense, not even obeying a cop's orders.... now that's pretty sad.

 

No report has said he pointed the toy at the cops or shot anyone with it.

 

Mike Brown disagrees.

 

Fair enough.

I withdraw my intemperate language. And apologise for any offence given.

We Scots are particularly upset about the conflation of guns and children. But I realise things are complex and difficult for you in your country.

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The 12 y/o was reaching for the gun in his waistband and the police officer opened fire. No gun was actually drawn and pointed at the officer. I don't know the proximity of the officer at the time he opened fire to the 12 y/o, but it appears there was time to react with non-lethal methods.

This is not the first time, nor will it be the last when a child with a toy gun is killed by the police. Since there is no way of knowing for sure if it is a real gun in many instances...the officer has to act as though it is real.

What bothers me with this specific incident is that the boy was reaching for the gun not flourishing it at the officers at the time he was shot. There was time to deploy a taser or spray to subdue him...they chose lethal force right away.

 

I was just thinking that. Then again, would a taser be effective if he was far away enough?